Different start place and consist in same activity

[daniellouwrens]

Hi

I have a tricky one here and I'm hoping someone can tell me
what happened.

I installed the MM2 Route Activity CSX Q-606 downloaded from the
F/L here.

I was missing a lot of stock so I swapped the missing stuff out.

I ran the Act through Conbuilder and RR without any errors
so I opened up OR and started the activity.

I saved the Act at the start then added an extra engine to the
player consist, then I started the act again, I did not resume.

I noticed that the act was starting from a different place on the track
I had saved it immediatley so I quit OR and started the resume of the first save.

Beside the two different start places the end cars on the the two trains were different.

I have attached pictures showing the 1st and 2nd starting places and the different
end cars.

Hopefully there is a reason for the differences.

Cheers

Daniel

1st_run.jpg1st_run_rear.jpg2nd_run.jpg2nd_run_rear.jpg

[R. Steele]

Daniel, try this again, only after each start, if & when you notice a difference, stop and check/save the OR log. That may provide any answers you or others require.

[slipperman]

Hi Daniel,
Please forgive me, but the two consists look completely different, not just the last car! Are you certain you used the same one each time?

Cheers,
Ged

[daniellouwrens]

Hi Ged

all I did was started the act saw that the motive power was lacking, opened the
player consist in Conbuilder deleted the first wagon and added in an engine then saved the changes.

Then I started the act again and noted the differences.

I can restart from saves of both first and second runs and get exactly the same result as
the respective first times.

The second start is correct according to the player consist, thing is that the first start
consist ends in CentreBeams and the second in Autoracks and I do not have any consists that have those CB's in that
configuration.

I have been working on this since 5am and still at a loss.

OR must keep data from saves but I cannot find where.

Cheers

Daniel

[daniellouwrens]

Daniel, try this again, only after each start, if & when you notice a difference, stop and check/save the OR log. That may provide any answers you or others require.

Hi

here are the log files for each start, no changes from the first.

Cheers

DanielOR.zip

[daniellouwrens]

Hi

just in case anyone is interested I have been looking at this for several hours.

This all only concerns the first start I made, the second and subsequent startups have been shown to be the player consist as it
has always been, except for the addition of an engine, as noted in the first post.

I have determined that the last item on the consist in the first start is a FRED (you can see it in the first picture if you look hard)
and I have posted another of the end of the consist clearly showing this.

The 2nd and 3rd to last items are ttzx_cb1 wagons.

Here is the thing, I do not have any consists or Act files where there is that configuration, as far as I can tell.

When I resume from the first start I get exactly the same train as before, so this data must be stored somewhere,
can anyone tell me where?

I'll keep looking.

Cheers

DanielEnd_Of_Con_first_Start.jpg

[Shawmut]

Hi Daniel,

You've an interesting problem, one I've not experienced in OR either with this activity or any other, for that matter. However, the folder you are in inquiring about is located here: C:\Users\yourname\AppData\Roaming\Open Rails. (Note that AppData is a hidden folder; you won't see it in the File Explorer tree unless you type in the full path I specify above.) This is where the save files are located, along with the little thumbnails that OR uses when you go into the Resume/Replay interface. "yourname" is your Microsoft name that you can find by going to C:\Users; it should appear between folders for "defaultuser0" and "Public."

Here is another tip that might help. You don't say whether you have any OpenRails include files in any of your wagon folders, but I did (and still do ;-) and I found that Route_Riter, when you are checking consists and fixing coupler values and bounding boxes screws up those include files. In my case I had Gerry Steele's OpenRails include files for the "Autoracks_Jeff_A " in that folder. When I looked at my consist in game as I was waiting for Q144 and Q145 to fully leave/arrive, I noticed that some of the wagons were invisible. That included the last wagon - an autorack - just before the Fred.

So I went into that Autoracks_Jeff_A folder and looked at everything, including (pun intended the OpenRails include folder, and lo and behold Route_Riter had substituted a random wagon file for all of Gerry's!! Since that wagon didn't use the same shape file as the Autoracks, they appeared invisible. Once I deleted that OpenRails folder and re-inserted a clean OpenRails include folder from Gerry's download (get them here) everything showed up as it should have.

Hope this helps, Daniel. Check my original message about this activity for a path fix as well.

Merry Christmas!

Dave

[R. Steele]

I was just checking in this morning, do not have much time to post. When I spotted this thread. I had forgotten replying to it and now find it has taken a rather strange turn...RR substituting files for include files found in the OpenRails folder???
That is very weird. I'll check back when I have more time.

Oh, by the way, no big deal but to keep the record straight, it's Gerry Storey...my forum name is R Steele...a nod to my grandfather Steele who took me for my first train ride...in a home built (out of tractor parts, I think) small yard diesel in the city corp yard where he was employed as a civil engineer. It was used to haul things the city used around the yard ( lamp posts, fire hydrants, mulch from the city composter, etc) - we went out on a weekend, no one there, and he fired the thing up --- I got to operate the throttle under his close supervision...what a thrill for a young child. (obviously, I still fondly remember it).

I hop you fellas track this down, it if is indeed is RR, then this is very curious and the OR Dev team and the rest of the community should be made aware.
Merry Christmas All. Circus Train available today!!

[daniellouwrens]

Hi all

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Problem solved and I am glad to know I am not going crazy, just a little bit silly.

As I said I had swapped out some stock and started up the Act in OR, I thought the motive
power I had swapped to was lacking so I added an engine, that is where the trouble started.

When I initially swapped out the stock I use Notepad++ find and replace, ran the act,saving at the start
as I always do in OR, then I opened the player consist in Conbuilder, added the engine and saved
it, over writing the original and starting the act again in OR and noticed the difference.

The problem being that CB save the consist with 150 units, which I guess, I should know,
is the max.

The deleted wagons were from the end of the consist, hence the missing FRED.

Oh boy, so many hours wasted.

If anyone is interested in how I worked this out, send me a PM

Cheers

Daniel