Static engine headlights - not lit

[qballbandit]

Hello,
For many years, I have made copies of all player engines into "static" engines using Route Riter. These are placed on sidings, yard tracks, industry tracks, etc.
I would have to add my own lights to these static engine files, and mostly kept it simple, just adding dim lights to the front and back, as well as any walkway/step/truck lights.
All is fine on the MSTS side, but none of these engines have their dim headlights on in OR - front or rear. Interesting thing is, all the walkway/step/truck lights are on as expected.

Here is a sample of coding for the headlights - is there something else I should be doing in order for OR to show these lights?
Lights ( 14
Light (
comment( Head light Top dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.0 4.35 6.87 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.35 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Head light Bottom dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.0 4.15 6.85 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.35 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Rear Head light ENGR dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.12 3.94 -7.91 )
Azimuth ( -180 -180 -180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.24 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Rear Head light CNDR dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( -0.09 3.94 -7.89 )
Azimuth ( -180 -180 -180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.24 )
)
)
)

Thank you for any information provided.

[crstagg]

No Service lines
From Lights manual:
Service (1) (the unit is not in service e.g. a failed train lying in a siding)

[qballbandit]

Hello Charles,
I assume when you state "From Lights manual", you mean from the main OR screen under "Documents"?
Mine is greyed out, and it's because I have been using daily test versions. I'll try reloading 1.2 so I can look that up.

Thanks very much!

[crstagg]

Hello Charles,
I assume when you state "From Lights manual", you mean from the main OR screen under "Documents"?
Mine is greyed out, and it's because I have been using daily test versions. I'll try reloading 1.2 so I can look that up.

Thanks very much!

No I mean the MSTS lights manual "How_To_Specify_Lights.doc". All the OR manual says is "OR supports the whole set of lights accepted by MSTS."

[qballbandit]

Ah, ok - I am looking at that now. Rather vague though. Does the statement get added as it's own line, or to the "Conditions" section?

edit: no luck seeing the lights when adding into conditions section, or as it's own line.
Also, why would the safety lights all show without having a "Service ( 1 )" entry?

A snip-it of safety lights:

Light (
comment( Rear ENGR Walkway light )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 0 )
)
Cycle ( 0 )
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffe5eeff )
Position ( 0.09 1.83 -7.8 )
Azimuth ( -180 -180 -180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.1 )
)
)
)
Comment ( Step Lights )
Light (
comment( CNDR Side Front Step Light )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 0 )
)
Cycle ( 0 )
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffe5eeff )
Position ( -1.03 1.42 8.57 )
Azimuth ( -90 -90 -90 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.2 )
)
)
)

[solarnet]

Hello,

Lights ( 14
Light (
comment( Head light Top dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.0 4.35 6.87 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.35 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Head light Bottom dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.0 4.15 6.85 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.35 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Rear Head light ENGR dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( 0.12 3.94 -7.91 )
Azimuth ( -180 -180 -180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.24 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Rear Head light CNDR dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 0 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 1.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.75 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffef8f )
Position ( -0.09 3.94 -7.89 )
Azimuth ( -180 -180 -180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.24 )
)
)
)

Change the Unit to ( 0 )

[crstagg]

...........
Also, why would the safety lights all show without having a "Service ( 1 )" entry?

I'm no expert on lights but I can read:

Step 1: Setting requirements
The first thing you must specify is when you want the light or lights in question to come on. This is done by setting a number of flags to define the requirements for the lights concerned to light – if no requirements are listed, the light will always be on.

For your Safety lights all conditions listed are Zero. Same as if none listed.

Ah, ok - I am looking at that now. Rather vague though. Does the statement get added as it's own line, or to the "Conditions" section?
......

Another MSTS "gotchya" In the Document they are listed as "requirements" but the Name of the sub-section of the Lights section is "Conditions".

As too why the dim headlights are not on: maybe you need a Control (1) (the player is not control of the unit [i.e. it is a helper locomotive or wagon) line also.

[crstagg]

Change the Unit to ( 0 )

That will turn the light on dim when the ENG is a trail of player, AI or loose consist.

[jrmeindl]

Neil,

Should be something along this order.

Light (
comment( Head light left bright )

Type ( 0 )

Conditions (

Control ( 0 )

Unit ( 2 )

Service ( 1 )

TimeOfDay ( 0 )
)

FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )

Cycle ( 0 )

States ( 1

State (

Duration ( 0.0 )

LightColour ( ffffef8f )

Position ( 0.1 3.653 6.5 )

Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )

Transition ( 0 )

Radius ( 0.9 )

)

)

)

Control, Unit and Service can be change to what you trying to accomplish per the MSTS Lights Document. Time of day is optional based on what you are trying to show at various times of the day.

Jim

[peterman]

Howdy boys.... this is the one I use for MLT's AC4400CW

Light (
comment( Head light Top Dim Not in Service )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Unit ( 2 )
Service ( 1 )
Control ( 1 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( FFFFFFFF )
Position ( 0.0 3.43 10.14 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.6 )
)
)
)

as you can see, it's an extra light section in the .eng file.

Peter

[qballbandit]

Peter, I see what you have, and assume you are adding that to a player engine. I may do that in the future, but for now, I have 50 or 60 Route Riter made $static engines I want to get working.

Jim, I thought I tried your version yesterday in OR, and still couldn't see the lights. Let me start fresh and try again, and I'll report back shortly.


EDIT: Still can't get them lit up. I appreciate the suggestions guys, but has anyone actually used a Route Riter created static engine with these values successfully - seeing the lights on them in an activity?

[wwhall]

Neil,

The problem may be that $locomotives are actually .wag files. Do you have the same issue if the locomotive is built as a non-running engine in RouteRiter--an #engine_name.eng file?

[crstagg]

Peter, I see what you have, and assume you are adding that to a player engine. I may do that in the future, but for now, I have 50 or 60 Route Riter made $static engines I want to get working.

Jim, I thought I tried your version yesterday in OR, and still couldn't see the lights. Let me start fresh and try again, and I'll report back shortly.


EDIT: Still can't get them lit up. I appreciate the suggestions guys, but has anyone actually used a Route Riter created static engine with these values successfully - seeing the lights on them in an activity?

RR Static engines. Hmmm. Never used that feature. Thought I would create one to see what the ENG file looked like. BUT I cannot find that feature in RR. Could you post the ENG file of one here so we could look at the results?

[qballbandit]

Wade, great point. I already planned to create a copy of a player engine, and just modify the light section. That I bet will work. I just wanted to avoid having to go through all my routes and activities, and the headache of substituting the bazillion static engines in use, needing to create new ones (or new .eng file entries) with just low beams.

Funny how the safety lights are accepted but headlights are not.

[crstagg]

Neil,

I assume from your conversation with Wade that what you are referring to as "Static" locos are created by using the RR feature "Make unpowered Loco". This does in fact create a WAG file for Diesel and Electric engines. And when RR creates this $engine.wag file it removes the Lights section. Have you added a Lights section to the WAG? The Lights section you posted in your OP shows 14 lights. Was it from the ENG file that the static WAG file was created from or from the $engine.wag?