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  • seagoon
    5000 Post Veteran

    • Jun 2001
    • 5161
    • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

    #1

    Experiencing many more GWVs

    I'm running the X3753 (I think that's the correct number) version of the regular updates and have been experiencing many more examples of the Great White Void than I have for some considerable time.

    Could there be a reason for this of which I am unaware?
    IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0
  • baldwin
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    • Nov 1999
    • 6358
    • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
    • ORTS

    #2
    The only reason will be large tile sizes. OR will recognize 2x2 and 4x4 then moves to 16x16 and 32x32 for distant mountains. The white void is the 8x8.
    Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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    • geepster775
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      • Sep 2006
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      #3
      Could also be your newfangled operating system is hiding terrtexes on you, since it can now unilaterally determine they aren't essential files anymore. A couple of people have reported that phenomena.
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      • seagoon
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        • Jun 2001
        • 5161
        • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

        #4
        Originally posted by baldwin
        The only reason will be large tile sizes. OR will recognize 2x2 and 4x4 then moves to 16x16 and 32x32 for distant mountains. The white void is the 8x8.
        Thanks. I'd say that is the problem.
        Is there a work around for the user or does this fall into the route creator's basket?
        IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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        • seagoon
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          • Jun 2001
          • 5161
          • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

          #5
          Originally posted by geepster775
          Could also be your newfangled operating system is hiding terrtexes on you, since it can now unilaterally determine they aren't essential files anymore. A couple of people have reported that phenomena.
          What "newfangled......system"?
          IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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          • R. Steele
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            • Feb 2013
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            #6
            Originally posted by seagoon
            What "newfangled......system"?
            I'm guessing newfangled means this >>> IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

            Is this state of the art or start of the art?? lol
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            • baldwin
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              • Nov 1999
              • 6358
              • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
              • ORTS

              #7
              No workaround available to the user. It means using the RGE to reduce the tile sizes and then into the RE to reset the terrain which will be totally flat at zero feet. It should be possible to get OR to do the same as MSTS in this situation, but it is not yet coded to fill the gap.
              Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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              • seagoon
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                • Jun 2001
                • 5161
                • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                #8
                Originally posted by baldwin
                No workaround available to the user. It means using the RGE to reduce the tile sizes and then into the RE to reset the terrain which will be totally flat at zero feet. It should be possible to get OR to do the same as MSTS in this situation, but it is not yet coded to fill the gap.
                Thank you, sir.
                IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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                • seagoon
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                  • Jun 2001
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                  • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                  #9
                  Originally posted by R. Steele
                  I'm guessing newfangled means this >>> IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

                  Is this state of the art or start of the art?? lol
                  Oh! I'd forgotten about that line!
                  IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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                  • OrangeBlossom
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                    • Jun 2010
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                    #10
                    How do these ultra large tile sizes get created in the first place? If we know it's a problem, should we not know better and avoid the use of larger tiles in inappropriate places? Is there any advantage to larger tiles to begin with? Is it not true that the larger the tile, the less crisp the terrtex appearance will be?

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                    • baldwin
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                      • Nov 1999
                      • 6358
                      • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
                      • ORTS

                      #11
                      It is all down to the route builder. Using the old MSTS method, one has to first of all use the RGE to generate tiles, and then drill down to split all of those being used into the smallest size available where track is being laid. Sometimes an area gets overlooked , and in MSTS does not really matter because terrain is all drawn regardless of size. OR is different which is why we sometimes see what used to be called the GWV, caused in MSTS by a different set of circumstances.

                      Using the new WIP TSRE5 by Goku avoids the RGE step and far as I know, white voids.
                      Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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                      • eolesen
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                        • Dec 2002
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                        #12
                        Also remember that the RGE dates back to the days where connectivity was still dialup for most people and the size of a route mattered.

                        Larger tiles in the background meant less to download. TSRE5 breaks with that line of thinking, but ORTS should be able to handle this.
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