Odd wobbling with MILW "Little Joe" electrics.

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  • lateagain
    2500 Post Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 2727
    • Wareham, Dorset, U.K.

    #31
    Originally posted by NW 2156
    Geoff, What UK MSTS site are you talking about?

    Robert
    As in "last one out turn off the lights"? That would be Making Tracks sadly. Longest surviving UK payware provider they did some excellent routes. Always pushed the envelope a bit so now that the hardware runs them without issues they still look pretty good today. There's some debate on UKTS as to whether the shop site is actually working. Search Making Tracks or MT over there for the latest news on that.
    Geoff
    Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
    UK

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    • NW 2156
      2000 Post Veteran

      • Aug 2007
      • 2290
      • Carolina's

      #32
      Crap. I always wanted to get all their MSTS content one day.

      Robert

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      • lateagain
        2500 Post Veteran
        • Jul 2004
        • 2727
        • Wareham, Dorset, U.K.

        #33
        Originally posted by NW 2156
        Crap. I always wanted to get all their MSTS content one day.

        Robert
        Well so many folk here "Jumped Ship" for RS/RW/TS20XX that I reckon you'd have little problem finding second hand stuff. But do check the links about their shop.
        Geoff
        Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
        UK

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        • pwillard
          3000 Post Veteran



          • Nov 1999
          • 3070
          • Cumming Ga
          • ORTS

          #34
          There is considerable modeling talent hereabouts, why not get together and redesign a model that will work in OR.
          Well... sort of a good idea... as MANY items (including most of my own) predate 2002... the dark ages of MSTS where handgrabs look like boomerangs (A recent comment about some of my early work). I am currently in the process of revisiting all my previous work to take advantage of OR.

          The engine in question is built in multiple parts because of somewhat arbitrary limitations created by the KUJU team. An early project I wanted to make was a SCHNABEL car...

          schnabel.jpg

          and as luck would have it... it just wasn't in the cards due to the hoops you need to jump through dealing with max wheel sets and nested bogies etc.

          There was a discussion somewhere about coming up with "post-MSTS" modeling changes for OR and while I know its not popular... we could benefit from some of the things they got right in TRAINZ... including having BOGIES be "re-used" as entities and be attached separately or the ability to actually create the EF-4 or a schnabel correctly without making deals with Lucifer to do it.

          I sort of want to "hold out" for that time when the line in the sand is drawn and we do get a new modeling methodology... but I'm not holding my breath.
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          • seagoon
            5000 Post Veteran

            • Jun 2001
            • 5161
            • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

            #35
            Originally posted by pwillard
            The engine in question is built in multiple parts because of somewhat arbitrary limitations created by the KUJU team. An early project I wanted to make was a SCHNABEL car....
            Rick Lamp created a Schnabel wa-a-ay back in 2003. There were a couple of updates to it.
            I wonder how it would look in OR as it meanders along the track?
            I must dig mine out and install it.
            IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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            • MMSS
              Senior Member

              • Aug 2009
              • 842
              • Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey (NJ)
              • MSOR

              #36
              Originally posted by seagoon
              Rick Lamp created a Schnabel wa-a-ay back in 2003. There were a couple of updates to it.
              I wonder how it would look in OR as it meanders along the track?
              I must dig mine out and install it.
              I have used Rick Lamp's Schnabel cars in the past on a few activities I made for myself & ran them in ORTS. It has been a while but I can't remember anything out of the ordinary using them in Open Rails. Might be a good idea to rerun the activities again & check them out again.
              - Mark -

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              • seagoon
                5000 Post Veteran

                • Jun 2001
                • 5161
                • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                #37
                Originally posted by MMSS
                ...... Might be a good idea to rerun the activities again & check them out again.
                MAybe you had Ctrl+V off at the time....or perhaps it wasn't included then.
                IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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                • MMSS
                  Senior Member

                  • Aug 2009
                  • 842
                  • Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey (NJ)
                  • MSOR

                  #38
                  Originally posted by seagoon
                  MAybe you had Ctrl+V off at the time....or perhaps it wasn't included then.
                  It was played in the 1.1 version of ORTS. I don't remember if vibration was on at the time. I usually play with vibration on at Level 1. I will reload the act this weekend and replay it and see what happens on my machine here. I can always make a video to show its actions in Open rails & post it.
                  - Mark -

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                  • NW 2156
                    2000 Post Veteran

                    • Aug 2007
                    • 2290
                    • Carolina's

                    #39
                    Small update for ORTS to hopefully fix the Milw locos. http://www.elvastower.com/forums/ind...ration-issues/

                    Not sure if non ET members can DL from the ORTS forums.

                    Robert

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                    • seagoon
                      5000 Post Veteran

                      • Jun 2001
                      • 5161
                      • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                      #40
                      Originally posted by seagoon
                      Rick Lamp created a Schnabel wa-a-ay back in 2003. There were a couple of updates to it.
                      I wonder how it would look in OR as it meanders along the track?
                      I must dig mine out and install it.
                      Well......problem.
                      I have the files (from 2003) which include the original creation plus three updates - one of which was supposed to correct coupler issues.
                      But unfortunately the default MSTS Editor won't let me assemble the components because it pops message up saying that the couplers are incompatible.

                      UPDATE.
                      I changed all the coupler data to "automatic", created a consist with a loco front and rear and opened her up in OR.
                      With V0...no rock 'n' roll, of course.
                      V1, V2 and V3 increase R&R intensity of the front and rear cab sections but not alarmingly so - nowhere near as exaggerated as the "Little Joe".

                      So the Schnabel works pretty well.
                      Last edited by seagoon; 01-20-2017, 01:15.
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                      • seagoon
                        5000 Post Veteran

                        • Jun 2001
                        • 5161
                        • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                        #41
                        Originally posted by NW 2156
                        Small update for ORTS to hopefully fix the Milw locos. http://www.elvastower.com/forums/ind...ration-issues/

                        Not sure if non ET members can DL from the ORTS forums.

                        Robert
                        Nope.
                        I'm not a member so can't grab it.
                        No biggie...I'll continue to use these locos with 'V' turned to zero.
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                        • lateagain
                          2500 Post Veteran
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 2727
                          • Wareham, Dorset, U.K.

                          #42
                          Originally posted by seagoon
                          Well......problem.
                          I have the files (from 2003) which include the original creation plus three updates - one of which was supposed to correct coupler issues.
                          But unfortunately the default MSTS Editor won't let me assemble the components because it pops message up saying that the couplers are incompatible.

                          UPDATE.
                          I changed all the coupler data to "automatic", created a consist with a loco front and rear and opened her up in OR.
                          With V0...no rock 'n' roll, of course.
                          V1, V2 and V3 increase R&R intensity of the front and rear cab sections but not alarmingly so - nowhere near as exaggerated as the "Little Joe".

                          So the Schnabel works pretty well.
                          You caught my attention so I searched for this wagon and found this fix_schb.zip which is supposed to fix all coupling issues for all of the wagons in the library here. The read me has some instructions and cautions though so not just an overwrite.
                          Geoff
                          Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
                          UK

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                          • R. Steele
                            3500 Post Veteran

                            • Feb 2013
                            • 3928
                            • known universe
                            • ORTS

                            #43
                            Originally posted by seagoon
                            Nope.
                            I'm not a member so can't grab it.
                            No biggie...I'll continue to use these locos with 'V' turned to zero.
                            The dll posted at ET will only work with 3757. Here's an excerpt of the thread for clarification:

                            "Replacing this .dll in x.3757 increases the no vibration threshold to 2.5 meters...This however has to be approved by James, as this is a part of code he follows, and moreover I wonder whether a 2.6 m long trainset showing the problem will jump out... "
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                            • csantucci
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 1999
                              • 856
                              • Torino, Italy.

                              #44
                              The patch has now been included in x.3760.
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