Route Riter & Open rails

[BANKURA]

Dear Charles Sir
Here is the "folder.txt" file as required by you.
Regards
Ankur

[crstagg]

Dear Charles Sir
Here is the "folder.txt" file as required by you.
Regards
Ankur

Appears that the needed files are present. So the next step would be to test the files with a testing tool. Can you open the shapes with Shape Viewer?

[crstagg]

BTW you can now delete DIR.bat and Folder.txt from your SERIES2000 folder.

[slipperman]

Hi Charles & Ankur,
I wonder if folder SONALI KHEDKAR is the problem? TRAINS, together with SOUND, GLOBAL and other folders and files, are usually sub-folders of Train Simulator. There's a possibility that .sms and .wav files located in the global SOUND folder will not be accessible from the TRAINSET and its sub-folders.

The above is only a thought - please shoot it down if you feel it's not feasible!!

Cheers,
Ged

[crstagg]

Hi Charles & Ankur,
I wonder if folder SONALI KHEDKAR is the problem? TRAINS, together with SOUND, GLOBAL and other folders and files, are usually sub-folders of Train Simulator. There's a possibility that .sms and .wav files located in the global SOUND folder will not be accessible from the TRAINSET and its sub-folders.

The above is only a thought - please shoot it down if you feel it's not feasible!!

Cheers,
Ged

Ged,
If you will take a close look at his ORTS Log.txt file you will see that the folder SONALI KHEDKAR is the Common Root folder to both his Routes and his Trainset. If it were an MSTS install it would be where one would find Train.exe.

It is the Same as if someone set up the path X:\Train Sim Installs\USA Routes\BNSF Routes. Could have achieved the same with just X:\BNSF Routes.

Paths within ORTS or MSTS are measured from current location back so many folders by the ..\ command then forward to the named folder. Example when a WAV file is referenced in an SMS file in a Trainset Sound folder and the WAV is not in the ENG folder\Sound, MSTS/ORTS knows to always backup the path tree 4 folders (..\..\..\..\ or ENG folder>Trainset>Trains>TS Root) then out the path tree to \Sound to look for the WAV file. It does not matter how many subfolders the TS Root folder is from the root of the Drive.

[crstagg]

Ankur,

Could you explain why you created your install at E:\MOVIES\OPEN RAILS TRAIN SIMULATOR\SONALI KHEDKAR?

And please tell us what SONALI KHEDKAR means as Google Translate says it means "SONALI KHEDKAR"

[BANKURA]

Greetings Charles Sir
Actually my folder "E:\MOVIES\OPEN RAILS TRAIN SIMULATOR" contains all data related to Open Rails. This means it has a folder which contains all the zip files, another folder which contains separate files for each route & so on. So, it's not arranged in a particular manner. Under this main folder, I've a folder named as "SONALI KHEDKAR" and that contains my 4 main folders "GLOBAL, ROUTES, SOUND & TRAINS". All my routes & their files are properly arranged inside this folder as required. By the way, SONALI KHEDKAR is the name of my girlfriend & its an Indian name that's why it didn't reveal anything in Google Translate. The reason was to use her name as a good omen for my journey in playing this game.
Well, yesterday night I experienced another miracle while running this game. I'd become frustrated by the problems in running Indian routes. So, i tried yet another method to cross-check the issues. I went to the "Open Rails Misc." section under the "View Entire File Section" and downloaded "lirr_install.zip" which stands for "Long Island Rail Route". I installed it as per the instructions & then tried to run it.
And BRAVO!!!!!! The route ran without any errors. I was able to actually play my 1st ever downloaded route. Then I went to my "SONALI KHEDKAR" folder to check how this miracle had happened. On checking the "TRAINS" folder, it was found that there were 3 folders instead of the usual as follows:
1. CONSISTS: All the .com files were inside this folder.
2. TRAINSETS: Collection of different trainsets downloaded from the net as per the requirements of the routes
3. TRAINSET: Trainsets related to only LIRR route.
So, I merged both trainset folders into "TRAINSETS" folder.
Then when I ran the route, it started showing all locomotives as missing suddenly as seen in the opening screen of Open Rails. Then, I renamed "TRAINSETS" to just "TRAINSET" and again tried running the route. Again a miracle!!!!! All locomotives were available and I was able to run the route as before.
1 more thing which this renaming solved was that earlier all my locomotives were shown to be missing even though their associated files were present in their correct locations and now almost 90% are available and only 10% are showing as missing.
So, the question is is Open rails so sensitive regarding file names that 1 extra "S" creates a lot of difference???
Next, i tried running an Indian route "Mumbai2011" under the "explore route" option using the pre-selected consist. It showed me the cover page of the route & then an error came which said "Open Rails Activity Runner stopped working" and yet again, I failed at running an Indian route. I tried the same thing with other routes as well but got the same error.
So, at present, only "LIRR" route is functional & the remaining routes like the 6 default MSTS routes & Mumbai2011 route are showing the above mentioned error. I wanted to attach the log file of the same but the size of that log file is 334 Kb. So, I couldn't attach it here.
Please guide me.
Regards
Ankur

[burgerbern]

So, the question is is Open rails so sensitive regarding file names that 1 extra "S" creates a lot of difference???

its not a question of Open rails being so sensitive, Microsoft Train Simulator itself would not run either if the Trainset folder was called Trainsets as Trainset is the correct name and the one both programs are coded to look for.

[baldwin]

It is not that Open Rails is sensitive to "one extra S ", it is that Open Rails uses the same folder names as MSTS, so had you tried to run MSTS under these same conditions, it too would have failed to run. The error messages should have shown you what was required, trainset, not trainsets.

My own folder structure has F:\Open Rails for the program and then for my Indian routes as an example F:\Train Simulator India. In this folder are the Global, Routes, Sounds and Trains folders. In Trains are Consists and Trainset.

Try putting the log into a zip file to attach here. At 334Kb it looks like there is a lot to sort out.

[crstagg]

..........
Then I went to my "SONALI KHEDKAR" folder to check how this miracle had happened. On checking the "TRAINS" folder, it was found that there were 3 folders instead of the usual as follows:
1. CONSISTS: All the .com files were inside this folder.
2. TRAINSETS: Collection of different trainsets downloaded from the net as per the requirements of the routes
3. TRAINSET: Trainsets related to only LIRR route.
So, I merged both trainset folders into "TRAINSETS" folder.
Then when I ran the route, it started showing all locomotives as missing suddenly as seen in the opening screen of Open Rails. Then, I renamed "TRAINSETS" to just "TRAINSET" and again tried running the route. Again a miracle!!!!! All locomotives were available and I was able to run the route as before.
1 more thing which this renaming solved was that earlier all my locomotives were shown to be missing even though their associated files were present in their correct locations and now almost 90% are available and only 10% are showing as missing.
So, the question is is Open rails so sensitive regarding file names that 1 extra "S" creates a lot of difference???
................
Regards
Ankur

banghead.gif

Ankur, have you ever heard the computer phrase "Garbage in equals garbage out" ? Computers are precise. Misspelling the name of a folder or file by one character is not precise. MSTS is more sensitive than ORTS. In MSTS 2000acarriage.wag does not equal 2000aCarriage.wag. Note the only difference is the "C" not "c".

Had you tested your Consists with one of the MSTS/ORTS testing tools such as ConBuilder or Route Riter, like we recommended, they would ALSO have told you that the ENG and WAG files listed in the consist were missing. No, they would not have recognized that the files were in a folder named Trainsets instead of Trainset, but they would confirm that ORTS was correctly reporting an error.

By the way, SONALI KHEDKAR is the name of my girlfriend & its an Indian name that's why it didn't reveal anything in Google Translate. The reason was to use her name as a good omen for my journey in playing this game.
Well, yesterday night I experienced another miracle while running this game.

I think you should start worrying about your relationship with your girlfriend.

[burgerbern]

Ankur

have you also altered the names of the Indian routes folders, each routes folder has a name its creator gave it and which is referenced by other files within the route as well as MSTS and OR, so it is important that the name they have when they unpack are the names they keep and need, if you have altered those to something else like you did the TRAINSET folder, that would explain why those are not being found and run.

[conductorchris]

It sounds like the LIRR route helped you understand the folder structure. It's not technically complex here, it is just a question of filing everything where it belongs. Once you learn where it all goes, but will become simple.

I assume you are now trying routes in your routes folder as set up by the LIRR route?

Christopher

[advut]

This is weird & funny. ACES named it "Trainset" but the other one is "Consists." Also the OP installed ORTS into "Movies" folder.

Ankur, I think you should delete the whole ORTS folder and start again. Many routes require MSTS. So, first, install MSTS properly like E:\MSTS. Then, install those Indian routes and content by following their installation instructions. At last, just add (from ORTS menu, not copy paste) that "E:\MSTS" folder to ORTS if it can't detect that automatically. Note that LIRR doesn't require MSTS so these instructions don't apply for that. Also, there are some Indian route install guides available in the library. So, you could look into those.


Off-topic: I've recently realised Android & MSTS have some similarities. Both call the main screen "Homescreen." Navigation buttons on the bottom are similar. Android upto v4.4 had those kind of buttons. Also, MSTS activity package has the .apk extension and so does the Android's application file.

[crstagg]

This is weird & funny. ACES named it "Trainset" but the other one is "Consists." Also the OP installed ORTS into "Movies" folder.

Ankur, I think you should delete the whole ORTS folder and start again. Many routes require MSTS. So, first, install MSTS properly like E:\MSTS. Then, install those Indian routes and content by following their installation instructions. At last, just add (from ORTS menu, not copy paste) that "E:\MSTS" folder to ORTS if it can't detect that automatically. Note that LIRR doesn't require MSTS so these instructions don't apply for that. Also, there are some Indian route install guides available in the library. So, you could look into those.


Off-topic: I've recently realised Android & MSTS have some similarities. Both call the main screen "Homescreen." Navigation buttons on the bottom are similar. Android upto v4.4 had those kind of buttons. Also, MSTS activity package has the .apk extension and so does the Android's application file.

ACES named it "Trainset"

Aces did not name it that, Kuju did. Kuju wrote MSTS.
Trainset means the set (one entity) of train rolling stock. The consists folder is named that because it contains multiple consists.

I've recently realised (sic) Android & MSTS have some similarities.

??????????????
Android is an operating system for tablets, smartphones and smartwatches . What are you referring to?

[Vince]

I'm glad the LIRR showed you the true path of folder arrangement for MSTS and Open Rails. I specialize in easy install package. Why do you think the NECv4 has so many downloads?
It's not because it's a beautiful route. (it's not) It's because it's a no nonsense 4 mouse click install process!
Here are two links to help you better understand MSTS & Open Rails folder arrangement

What folders do in MSTS: >>>===> http://msts.steam4me.net/tutorials/h...ders_work.html
MSTS Route Folder Structure: >>>===> http://msts.steam4me.net/tutorials/rt_fold.html

To add; Just because the file extension, in this case the .apk are the same does not mean the files serve the same function! Within the same program yes, but between MSTS and android?

regards,