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  • lateagain
    2500 Post Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 2727
    • Wareham, Dorset, U.K.

    #16
    Doug and tf51d,

    I'm guessing you didn't read the first of my links in the #1 post in this thread.

    The issue is not that there's NO stock. The issue is that it's just very old stock and not of today's standard . It's an all too familiar MSTS issue. Great stock but no decent route to run it on or Great route with no decent stock to run on it.



    Of course to those who only run the SIMS from the cabview, and therefore only see the exterior of the AI traffic that may seem an odd idea but the majority (judging by the screenshots) want current standards of stock and like me enjoy running the Sim outside the cab for much of the time.

    Sadly none of the payware providers have done many of the old or original DMU's or any EMU's. BLW has excellent RDC's but of course the LIRR only had a couple for a shuttle service between Babylon and Patchogue, and on various fan trips. They had several classes of EMU and these overlapped in operation. Like all roads the most interesting periods for stock were the early 20th Century. Plenty of different liveries to keep the reskinners busy too

    What's needed is, and this is just basics :-
    MP41's - EMU's
    MP72's - EMU's *
    MP75's - EMU's *
    DD1's - Electric Locomotive
    M1's - EMU's
    M3's - EMU's
    ACF celestory and round roofed passenger cars.
    401 & 402 Box cab loco's
    Some BB3 overhead AC electric loco's

    * ...the 72's and 75's were also used as coach stock.

    Most of the diesels used by LIRR have been modelled but some could do with updates and all could do with current stste of the art skins? (see previous thread)

    The LIRR also had some custom built freight cars for intermodal traffic.

    For those who want to simulate current LIRR practice there is of course a whole lot more. IF, more interestingly IMO, you want to go back to the days of steam there's a whole stable of loco types needed to compliment the camelback. Then you'd need the wooden coaches too.

    Vince has given us a great route and it's obviously a labour of love? It's a route that cries out for activities with loads of AI traffic. It would be great to create a stock pack for the route with OR physics and then it would really come to life?
    Geoff
    Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
    UK

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    • Don6218
      1500 Post Veteran
      • Jun 2009
      • 1834
      • Oshawa ON

      #17
      Well said Geoff:

      Vince has given us a great route and it's obviously a labour of love? It's a route that cries out for activities with loads of AI traffic. It would be great to create a stock pack for the route with OR physics and then it would really come to life?

      This route does cry out for some better stock, locos & cars. I am not a modeler, so I am leaving it up to those who know what they are doing in that realm. (Too old and cranky, no patience LOL)

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      • Vince
        6500 Post Veteran

        • Nov 1999
        • 6961
        • Mohave

        #18
        I happen to know that there is a beautiful model of the DD-1 electric motor used to move LIRR freight out there I think not yet released.
        The DD1 author also has some really nice MP54's. When I saw them cabs were being worked on.
        And btw, M1's & M3's? Not unless the stations with low platforms (there are many) are raised. All Long Beach line, all except Far Rock on that line, Main line past Queens . . . there are more so the modern stuff wont do.

        regards,
        ............Vince ..............
        ...... Author NECv4 .......
        .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
        ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

        On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
        "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
        the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
        I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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        • bootednancy
          Senior Member

          • Jun 2003
          • 549
          • New Jersey, United States

          #19
          Hello Rick Franzosa....you listening????

          Hopefully you and Gaetan will come up with a LIRR stock and loco set for this great route of Vincent's. You've done almost everything else for other railroads...and LIRR is hugely popular even outside the NY area as many retirees have moved around the country so there still is a following of what they remember from the 60's and 70's....and even a few of us 50'ers.

          I can provide CORRECT information, (please no people with "fantasy" or mis-conception ideas of what they thought it should be)(and NO...the Alco FA units DID NOT exist in the 50 & 60's orange/grey era, late 1970's MTA era onward only) to car styles and painting if you will contact me.

          Doug
          Doug

          Happiness is when the AI-trains appear where you want them to

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          • lateagain
            2500 Post Veteran
            • Jul 2004
            • 2727
            • Wareham, Dorset, U.K.

            #20
            Originally posted by Vince
            I happen to know that there is a beautiful model of the DD-1 electric motor used to move LIRR freight out there I think not yet released.
            The DD1 author also has some really nice MP54's. When I saw them cabs were being worked on.
            And btw, M1's & M3's? Not unless the stations with low platforms (there are many) are raised. All Long Beach line, all except Far Rock on that line, Main line past Queens . . . there are more so the modern stuff wont do.

            regards,
            Great news ....and from a personal perspective the era you built is the one that interests me Vince .
            Geoff
            Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
            UK

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            • rfranzosa
              1000 Post Veteran


              • Mar 2005
              • 1302
              • Cincinnati, OH, USA.

              #21
              Originally posted by bootednancy
              Hello Rick Franzosa....you listening????

              Hopefully you and Gaetan will come up with a LIRR stock and loco set for this great route of Vincent's. You've done almost everything else for other railroads...and LIRR is hugely popular even outside the NY area as many retirees have moved around the country so there still is a following of what they remember from the 60's and 70's....and even a few of us 50'ers.

              I can provide CORRECT information, (please no people with "fantasy" or mis-conception ideas of what they thought it should be)(and NO...the Alco FA units DID NOT exist in the 50 & 60's orange/grey era, late 1970's MTA era onward only) to car styles and painting if you will contact me.

              Doug
              Hi Doug,

              Suffice it to say that Chris Parker, Max Brisben and I have had a couple of discussions about this. No promises as to time frame (we just passed the 2nd anniversary of the start of our Conn River set, which is still not released)!

              There are a number of locomotives that are already available (Baldwin & Alco), and we have passenger equipment that we can modify. More difficult will be FM (switchers, road switchers, C-Liners ), any electrics that may be required... (I have a semi-complete New Haven EF3 from Frank Musick that I would LOVE to finish for Bay Ridge freights).

              The issue is time... The combination of a severe lack of MSTS time on my part, and the requirement for super detailed models (which take longer), will make this a long term project.

              Plus the fact that Rick Berg will head here from Kentucky and cause me severe bodily harm if I don't release the Monon stuff I promised him FIRST.
              Rick Franzosa - ZosaTrains
              http://www.valleypass.com/Sales/Sales.htm

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              • Beddhist
                New Member
                • May 2014
                • 9

                #22
                Hi Vince,

                Just like the others said: a great piece of work and I'm looking forward to see it finished. I'm trying it on OR (only) and it works great.

                I don't know whether you want this to be the feedback topic, but since I couldn't find one here it goes:

                I ran activity 04 myself and it worked great. Then I let it run automatically, but at the first pickup I positioned a camera to watch the AI come past. At this point OR crashed. Log file is attached.

                There are also a number of "missing file" entries in the log, but I guess you know about those. I seem to get them regardless of what route I run.

                Thanks for your hard work.

                Regards,
                Peter.
                Attached Files

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                • Vince
                  6500 Post Veteran

                  • Nov 1999
                  • 6961
                  • Mohave

                  #23
                  Hi Peter,
                  Glad you like the route.
                  Regarding the crash; Thanks for the attaching the log.I see it complaining about the Render process.
                  I hope someone who has more experience reading the OR log reads your post.

                  Does the activity crash if you stay in the cab of the player engine? You're the first to report such a crash. From the log I see it has something to do with the OR Render process. Hung? 26ms timeout? Not sure what that all means

                  The AMD cpu running at 1.5GHz . . . that's half the speed of my Intel QuadCore . . .
                  Try cutting back on video quailty. This is a very detailed route . ..Render process? Maybe getting bogged down loading textures.
                  Do you notice loading stutter?

                  I'm going to try running as you said, positioning yourself to watch AI run by. The only AI run by's are at the A&P-Bronze station where they stop, the same AI runs east at the same location (A&P-Bronze)
                  Is this the location you wait? And when the AI passes, ( west or east bound?? ) you get a crash. I assume you're running with the original supplied test AI?

                  regards,
                  Last edited by Vince; 10-07-2017, 21:02. Reason: correction/another question
                  ............Vince ..............
                  ...... Author NECv4 .......
                  .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                  ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                  On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                  "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                  the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                  I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                  • Vince
                    6500 Post Veteran

                    • Nov 1999
                    • 6961
                    • Mohave

                    #24
                    Reported Crash A

                    I just got done running Central Pickups to successful conclusion . . . no errors. Activity 04,Central Pickups OR Log attached. Logs due show some shader errors but these do not affect the running in the Sim.
                    ORLog.zip

                    regards,
                    ............Vince ..............
                    ...... Author NECv4 .......
                    .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                    ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                    • advut
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 178
                      • General

                      #25
                      Hi, Vince I get lower fps in this route as it's such a detailed one. Your readme file gives a good idea of what to expect in terms of fps but can you please specify what viewing distance setting you use in open rails?

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                      • Vince
                        6500 Post Veteran

                        • Nov 1999
                        • 6961
                        • Mohave

                        #26
                        In post #23 I posted the Open Rails log. The viewing distance is in there.

                        regards,
                        ............Vince ..............
                        ...... Author NECv4 .......
                        .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                        ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                        On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                        "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                        the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                        I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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