Dekosoft BNSF Mainline Power

[crstagg]

FYI Chip just released his BNSF Mainline Power set for Open Rails. Great set. I know as I helped beta test it.

http://www.dekosoft.com/trains/bnsf-mainline-power/

[TGM]

Hi Charles,

Can we buy this BNSF set if we live outside the US?

regards Tom

[crstagg]

Hi Charles,

Can we buy this BNSF set if we live outside the US?

regards Tom

You have to ask Chip. I have nothing to do with purchase process. I just get to test the ENGs and monitor the forum.

The process is through PayPal.

[dekosoft]

I'm sorry, but our licensing agreement with the owner of the trademarks doesn't permit us to sell BNSF items outside the U.S.

[lateagain]

I'm sorry, but our licensing agreement with the owner of the trademarks doesn't permit us to sell BNSF items outside the U.S.

Purely out of academic interest.... Is that because they WON'T license it or because they're asking silly money TO license it? Considering they were THE cover Railroad of the original MSTS this current stance has to be seen as rather ludicrous?

[MsSheare]

Purely out of academic interest.... Is that because they WON'T license it or because they're asking silly money TO license it? Considering they were THE cover Railroad of the original MSTS this current stance has to be seen as rather ludicrous?

I do believe it is down to a trade mark issue. If it is the same reason Rail works was given.

[seagoon]

I'm sorry, but our licensing agreement with the owner of the trademarks doesn't permit us to sell BNSF items outside the U.S.

In that case why don't you do a no-liveried version at the same price and supply the skin at no cost?
Or just do a vanilla and someone else is bound to come up with a freeware livery.

[eric]

Purely out of academic interest.... Is that because they WON'T license it or because they're asking silly money TO license it? Considering they were THE cover Railroad of the original MSTS this current stance has to be seen as rather ludicrous?

Silly it may be, BNSF will only license products for sale in countries where they have their trademarks registered. They don't care if they were on the cover of the MSTS box. It's not for a lack of payware providers trying to convince them otherwise.

[MCDemuth]

Silly it may be, BNSF will only license products for sale in countries where they have their trademarks registered. They don't care if they were on the cover of the MSTS box. It's not for a lack of payware providers trying to convince them otherwise.

I think you are right about that they don't care about MSTS... But I think that is only as small part of it.

Like you said, about "where they have their trademarks registered." If it is not registered, outside of North America, then it doesn't matter if it is MSTS... or ORTS, RUN8, Trainz or any of the others... or even... "Tee Shirts", or "Videos" (For Example)... Sales concerning products with their name on it, won't be allowed. It's just one of those (I think they are called) "Blanket"? Policies. One that covers ALL products, just to keep things simple.

Sadly that makes things extremely difficult for consumers...

Unless someone who is interested in it, is lucky enough to find someone in North America to make a "Gift" purchase for them...

[TGM]

I'm sorry, but our licensing agreement with the owner of the trademarks doesn't permit us to sell BNSF items outside the U.S.

Shame, as that BNSF ac4400cw looks good too. MSTS does not have an BNSF AC4400CW (square window model). There are repaints around but not an original model. Anyway, good work.

regards Tom

[NorthernWarrior]

Those of us with a foot in the RW-TS20xx camp as well, have been flogging this problem since it first reared its head. If a company like Dovetail with major financial backing and the personal approval of the current UK Prime Minister (who I believe has visited at least a couple of times) cannot or will not take on BNSF over the issue, there's not much chance for the little guys.

However... N3V and indeed 3DTS with Run 8 seem to be either ignoring or taking a chance by happily selling BNSF trademark items. I believe DTG have started working round by putting out locos and rolling stock in a generic livery similar to BNSF or their predecessor companies and without any logos. And this isn't a new thing by any means, as many of the UK Train Operators have refused to allow their trademarks to be used in the sim - as attested by the fictional liveries applied to the DTG Class 390 Pendolino electric units, instead of the correct Virgin livery.

And of course, strangely enough, there's nothing to stop me travelling to a model railway shop selling American items (or ordering on line from the US) and purchasing any number of BNSF etc. liveried items!

[lateagain]

Silly it may be, BNSF will only license products for sale in countries where they have their trademarks registered. They don't care if they were on the cover of the MSTS box. It's not for a lack of payware providers trying to convince them otherwise.

New kids in town ...since 2001 when BNSF not only supported MSTS but actually painted one of their loco's with the MSTS logo.

A sad case of GREED over COMMON SENSE? ...at best. At worst a case of Corporate bullying?

As a lifetime Union Rep the one disciplinary offence that almost guaranteed dismissal was "Bringing the organisation into disrepute" Strikes me that BNSF ought to be looking at some internal disciplinary action? because whoever made this change has made them look pretty stupid.

There are also legal issues about BNSF's rights where they have NOT registered their trademark ....BUT ....if you want to read those they're well covered in the threads about DTG's dispute with BNSF

[eric]

Hard to say greed if the trademark agreement is only $1......

No, it's not bullying, either. It's their brand. They get to decide who can and can't use it.

It's no different than what the IOC has done on the Olympics trademarks and the UP train set people wanted, or the guy who wanted to make the fictitious UPS locomotive a few years back.




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[crstagg]

You people make me sick! What happened to "Wow, Chip, you created a fantastic set of Locos." "Great job." "Really like those 3dCabs."

I am sorry I ever opened this thread!

[lateagain]

You people make me sick! What happened to "Wow, Chip, you created a fantastic set of Locos." "Great job." "Really like those 3dCabs."

I am sorry I ever opened this thread!

Well what HAPPENED Charles was that a large chunk of customers can't even get to judge that?! Simple?