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  • tbundy1982
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 672
    • Louisville, KY

    #16
    Very good tutorial Geepster. I can add a few thoughts from real world railroading, at least one of which is not implemented in OR:

    1. Opening angle cocks should be done slowly to avoid putting the train in emergency. A triple valve senses not only the change in brake pipe pressure but the rate of air flow as well. A normal brake pipe application or release is akin to a large leak, and does not upset the triple valve. In an emergency application, air flushes from the brake pipe at a significantly higher rate and the triple valves can sense this and trigger their own emergency state.

    If you fully open an angle cock quickly into a cut of uncharged cars, the effect is very much the same as dumping the air from a designated valve on the locomotive. Open the angle cock slowly, gently tapping it with your hand until you hear the air begin to flow. An experienced conductor will know just how far the angle cock can be opened before the train goes in emergency. When doing this, you can see the brakes apply on the charged cars just the same as we've seen above, it just mimics a full service application rather than emergency.

    OpenRails opens the angle cock fully in an instant, triggering the emergency application. In the real world, you, the engineer, should place the Automatic Brake handle in Emergency until all the air has drained from the system, then move it back to release to reset the system. This is very inefficient and OpenRails users should not do this.


    2. Many diesel locomotives (definitely older EMDs) have air compressors that are driven directly by the prime mover. The faster the engine turns, the faster the air compressor pumps. In the real world, you can center the reverser and shut off Generator Field, then rev the engine up to maybe Run 4 at the max (I'm not sure exactly why, but the compressor may reach max output by 50% throttle?). I'm not sure if this practice is used any more. I haven't tested OR to see if charging time is affected by prime mover speed. AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricalorMechanical would lead me to believe that the idea was considered in MSTS.

    It can take a LONG time to charge trains in OpenRails. I had a single C628 on the Monon a few weeks ago trying to charge 74 cars for a move. It took about 45 minutes to get the pressure up for an air test. Only so many screenshots you can take....

    Tyler

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    • Vince
      6500 Post Veteran

      • Nov 1999
      • 6961
      • Mohave

      #17
      It can take a LONG time to charge trains in OpenRails.
      Isn't the recharging rate is dependent on the wag file brake settings?

      Many wag brake settings are incorrect in the add-on content. ( a lot of other settings also! )

      I think someone over at ElvasTower is working & discussing the subject.

      regards,
      ............Vince ..............
      ...... Author NECv4 .......
      .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
      ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

      On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
      "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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      • PXSE
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 144

        #18
        Whenever there are major new features added, more people should do up explanations like this.

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        • baldwin
          6000 Post Veteran


          • Nov 1999
          • 6358
          • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
          • ORTS

          #19
          This is what I am slowly changing all of my rolling stock to for Open rails.

          TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
          MaxReleaseRate( 50.0 )
          MaxApplicationRate( 50.0 )
          EmergencyResCapacity( "1.5ft^3" )
          EmergencyResChargingRate( 20.0 )
          EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 90.0 )
          BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 50.0 )

          You can change the EmergencyResCapacity to something a little bit bigger for different rates on some cars, or a slower overall rate. Those settings allow a 100 car train with 3 sd70Ace to go from emergency to full release in about 3 minutes. No use of the SHIFT / keys either.

          There is also the compressor rating in the eng file to consider. I think the manual contains info on that.
          Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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          • PXSE
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 144

            #20
            Originally posted by Vince

            Many wag brake settings are incorrect in the add-on content. ( a lot of other settings also! )

            I think someone over at ElvasTower is working & discussing the subject.

            regards,

            As long as they come up with a list of appropriate settings suggestions for users to modify and don't straight-jacket everyone into a unilateral hard-coded 'fix'.

            There is nothing wrong with some incorrect parameter variety in a few cars in a train. It adds to behavioral diversity. I cringe now at the conformity I see when new payware gets aliased to the same sound folders over and over again, and all wag files for the same type of car have the same load and empty weights, friction, or braking values.

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            • oldgreyowl
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2004
              • 137
              • Sheffield, England.

              #21
              Absolutely brilliant. Now all I have to do is digest it.Lol.

              keith

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              • Vince
                6500 Post Veteran

                • Nov 1999
                • 6961
                • Mohave

                #22
                Originally posted by baldwin
                This is what I am slowly changing all of my rolling stock to for Open rails.

                TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
                MaxReleaseRate( 50.0 )
                MaxApplicationRate( 50.0 )
                EmergencyResCapacity( "1.5ft^3" )
                EmergencyResChargingRate( 20.0 )
                EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 90.0 )
                BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 50.0 )

                .............snip................................. ....
                Isn't a Engine & Wag File Editor on the Route_Riter Activities/Stock Tab?
                regards,
                ............Vince ..............
                ...... Author NECv4 .......
                .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                • callagst
                  Senior Member

                  • May 2003
                  • 408
                  • Port Cartier, Quebec, Canada.

                  #23
                  That is just about how it gets done in real life except for one thing. You do put at least two handbrakes on the rear of the the train left standing on the main line in this case, you do not bottle the air but leave the front angle cock open on the cut left standing, brakes in emergency, and you make the switch as you described it. I used to watch my crews like Hawkeye himself. Bottling the air is a no-no, as is leaving unattended cars left standing without handbrakes. If you have seen some of the things that can happen with real-life runaways, you will get the picture. Nice sequence.

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                  • oldgreyowl
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 137
                    • Sheffield, England.

                    #24
                    Vince, my granddad, keith, is struggling to get his head around your comments.Would it be possible to list it as a series of actions/ keystrokes?

                    Many thanks in anticipation charlie.

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