Trees on track - Question Help!

[rodrigoville]

Could you please anyone summarize the process to remove trees from the tracks

If I understood correctly I need to move every trees section (red box) manually using RE far away from the track to avoid OR put trees not seeing in RE?

Is that correct?

Thanks


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[Don6218]

I have found that in various routes, one being Surfliner 2, that trees and bushes show up in the middle of track very randomly when in Open Rails but not in MSTS. When I go to the location in RE the trees/bushes are not to be found.

I have come to just ignore them, like I mentioned, very random.

[baldwin]

The problem with trees on track is how the forest regions have been placed. MSTS has an algorithm to determine where the track is and no trees get placed there. As this is an unknown to the Open Rails code writers, the only solution is to ensure that no forest region lays across the tracks or close to the tracks. Means a lot of work in the RE for some routes.

[charland]

The steps top correcting this are easy but take a but of time.

Open the route in MSTS Route Editor.

Travel along the track and/or roads until you find a Forest Region's boundary box crossing the tracks or roads.

Find the green center of the boundary box and select it (F2 to select things, the green node with turn black when your pointer is over it, left click to select).

While selected you can drag the forest region away from the tracks.

Sometimes the forest region just needs to be rotated, like if one corner is over the tracks, same selection process but use F4 and the right and left arrow keys to rotate.

If dragging the forest region will cause it to overlap other tracks or roads you might need to adjust the with. Each forest region has three green nodes, one in the center and to at the center of the top and one side. The two at the top and side are for adjusting the size. Selection is the same and to adjust the size you hold the left mouse key and drag to node inward or outward... there is a maximum size you can make these. Be aware while you are changing the size the boundary box will most likely rotate a bit and you may have to fix that as well.

Paul :-)

[rodrigoville]

Thanks a lot for the confirmation! I am familiar with locating and relocating forest regions I just wanted to know that it was the solution! Ok I will proceed!

Thanks


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[eric]

The problem with trees on track is how the forest regions have been placed. MSTS has an algorithm to determine where the track is and no trees get placed there. As this is an unknown to the Open Rails code writers, the only solution is to ensure that no forest region lays across the tracks or close to the tracks. Means a lot of work in the RE for some routes.

I highly doubt there's an algorithm to avoid track in MSTS.... I have seen several routes where forest objects are used for weeds in a yard or branch-line and the cruciforms show up between the ties, rails, and tracks on the 2-3-4 track sections. I've also had to move forest objects when trees did show up on the tracks.

What the difference is that the RE and the game engine use the same algorithm, thus if you see a tree in the ROW in the RE, chances are you moved it.

[OTTODAD]

Here is a stand-alone tree in ORTS, observe its location Compass Co-Ords !



Took me a while to locate it in the MSTSBin Route Editor and it is not on the track !



So how can it be moved and which one of the 3 nearest ones on the left ?

There is a lot not yet working in ORTS as it should and until it does shall stick to MSTSBin and TS-2016, the latter having the best editors of all, allowing its users to change from a route's running Play mode into the Editors to fix whatever and then carry on Playing it !

[OTTODAD]

P.S.: Did not realize that it was part of a "Forest", its frame being up in the air !

So I moved it and its tree on the track is gone !

And that is just one of many objects which are not where they are supposed to be !






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[Don6218]

The "AHHA! Moment" has come to me!

Thank you OTTO! This should solve a lot of annoying issues with those pesky trees!

[baldwin]

..........allowing its users to change from a route's running Play mode into the Editors to fix whatever and then carry on Playing it !

That is exactly how I would like Open Rails to proceed.

[OTTODAD]

The "AHHA! Moment" has come to me! Thank you OTTO! This should solve a lot of annoying issues with those pesky trees!

It was a lot worse when ORTS started, but the team has managed to fix many of its initial flaws !

It will take a while yet before ORTS will be as perfect as we would like it to be and the team can make it !

[OTTODAD]

That is exactly how I would like Open Rails to proceed.

A few pointers from you and me ?

Here are mine:

Ctrl-E to run the MSTS Route Editor in a new window, until ORTS can use its own and at the same time BACK-UP the route's folder !

Also Save the running Activity like the F2 option does !

Show the location where a to be fixed flaw is, if the team can use Compass Co-Ords which apply to both ORTS and MSTS !

Edit / Fix whatever flaw and use the RE Route / Save option, if the user is happy with his changes, at the same time again saving the Activity !

Ctrl-P to Exit the RE and if changes have been saved reload the being used altered route's files and show the fixed location in it's Play mode window, using its saved Activity file which was created when exiting it after having made changes !

If no changes have been made then just reload the route's saved Activity where it was before Ctrl-E !

B.t.w., it would be great if the F1 key controls window's content could be scrolled with the Mouse wheel !

Mike Simpson has just created a TS-2016 version of the MSTS Routes-On-Off utility, following my suggestions, earning another donation and perhaps the ORTS team can too and am sure that some of us would also buy them a crate of their favorite XXXXX ?

[eric]

Try to stick to the topic, which is trees on the track, and not what you want from the editor...

[OTTODAD]

Try to stick to the topic, which is trees on the track, and not what you want from the editor...

Without an editor being able to correctly locate trees on the track further discussions of the subject are a waste of time !

Your MSTS Packerland route has some, as well as sunken tracks, but are easier to find and deal with in the MSTSBin Route Editor, using their accurate Compass Co-Ords !

[eric]

If you pay attention in the legacy editor to where the red lines fall for the forest boundaries with regard to track, roads, buildings, etc., then there are no overlaps in either MSTS or ORTS.

The trick is knowing how much of a margin to leave between them. That doesn't require an editor -- it requires experience, and a little patience.

Now... if you'd like to complain about the development release (which is years earlier than a beta version) of Packerland that was shared with you, have at it, Otto... It's pretty clearly spelled out in the notes it was and still is a work in progress, and far from a finished product. Just take that conversation over to the current thread for that route in the Route Design forum.