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  • prr4ever
    1000 Post Veteran
    • Jun 2004
    • 1272
    • North Port, Florida, USA
    • French English
    • ORTS

    #1

    Red signal, OR states no signal in path.

    Several times I have had this problem occur. OR version X3168 and previous versions. Operating in Manual Mode.

    Merging from double track onto single track Have a green signal for the merge. Stop train on the single track to back onto the other double track due to stalled train about 1/2 mile back there. To my rear is a red signal protecting the main. I trip the switch to allow reverse to pick up the stalled consist. Switch the engine direction to reverse. Hit Tab to get permission past the signal. No permission, text pop up says "no signal in path". Well my eyeballs can see a red cherry right there! So back up anyway, brakes trigger into emergency. Guess we have PTC here? Can not get brakes to release from emergency, no way, no matter what.

    So first, why do I get a message no signal in path, then get an emergency release when I pass that signal that is not there but really is there? Why can I not pump the brakes back up and release them?

    Dave
    Dave Kolbenschlag
  • Claude350
    1500 Post Veteran
    • Nov 1999
    • 1615
    • Savannah, Georgia, USA.

    #2
    You have to be in the manual mode to get the brakes to release. Also use tab to get the signal to clear if reversing with a reversal point tripped. It's as if you're going forward while in reverse.

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    • prr4ever
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      • Jun 2004
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      • North Port, Florida, USA
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      • ORTS

      #3
      The first sentence in my post states I am in manual mode. Further along I state I did tab the signal.

      I am not new to MSTS, but am just learning ORTS.
      Dave Kolbenschlag

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      • Claude350
        1500 Post Veteran
        • Nov 1999
        • 1615
        • Savannah, Georgia, USA.

        #4
        Well then try control-tab and see if that works. MSTS and Open Rails are different soooo keep trying and reading the manual. Also look at the log file to see what errors are present there. After releasing the brakes from the emergency try shift-/ to initialize the brakes.
        Last edited by Claude350; 06-23-2015, 15:55.

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        • R. Steele
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          • Feb 2013
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          #5
          Tab for signals ahead of train and Shift+tab for signals behind.

          I believe these controls conform to the direction of travel indicated in the track monitor.
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          • Claude350
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            • Nov 1999
            • 1615
            • Savannah, Georgia, USA.

            #6
            Yes they do. I had an experience in a route that had reverse points. Once the reverse point was triggered for reverse, I had to use tab even though I was making a reverse move. It appears as if the program looks at that move as a forward move because of the reverse point and control tab didn't work. I had to use the tab. Once the second reverse point was triggered it returned to normal. I hope this makes since.

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            • prr4ever
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              #7
              Gerry, thanks. I should have known that......:-( I forgot to do the shift+tab for reverse.

              I constantly have trouble when the train goes into emergency. Been a problem for me since I started using OR.

              I know how to initialize the brakes, release brakes, charge brakes, connect the hose, turn on and off hand brakes,release the brakes on standing loose consists and whatever else is in the manual. But, when the train goes into emergency for reasons of it's own I can never get them to release or charge the brake pipe. I had an earlier post here on the emergency brakes and got some really good responses. One was do not touch the backspace. What puzzles me is the message when in emer. it says emergency braking..push button?? What button?
              Dave Kolbenschlag

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              • prr4ever
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                #8
                red signals

                Just to bring up another little thing I have noticed about switches. When I have a player with engines on the rear and I want to pick up or spot cars on a sideing or stub with a facing point switch I will move to the the last engine on the rear. Now this engine becomes the forward moving engine ( I face my rear engines to face away from the consist). I cut off the consist, pull forward and trip the switch which is now to the rear of the active engine. However, Shift+G does not trip the switch behind the engine. I must use G to trip it which I would use normally moving the engine forward. In this case the engine is in reverse. MSTS needs Shift+G to trip the rear switch. OR does not. Is this normal for OR?
                Dave Kolbenschlag

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                • markus1996
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                  • Apr 2012
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                  • Leoben, Styria, Austria, Europe

                  #9
                  Originally posted by prr4ever
                  [...] What puzzles me is the message when in emer. it says emergency braking..push button?? What button?
                  It does not mean "please push button" but says "the pushable button to activate the EB has been used to trigger emergency".

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                  • Claude350
                    1500 Post Veteran
                    • Nov 1999
                    • 1615
                    • Savannah, Georgia, USA.

                    #10
                    Originally posted by prr4ever
                    Gerry, thanks. I should have known that......:-( I forgot to do the shift+tab for reverse.

                    I constantly have trouble when the train goes into emergency. Been a problem for me since I started using OR.

                    I know how to initialize the brakes, release brakes, charge brakes, connect the hose, turn on and off hand brakes,release the brakes on standing loose consists and whatever else is in the manual. But, when the train goes into emergency for reasons of it's own I can never get them to release or charge the brake pipe. I had an earlier post here on the emergency brakes and got some really good responses. One was do not touch the backspace. What puzzles me is the message when in emer. it says emergency braking..push button?? What button?
                    I thought for sure in my initial post I said try the control tab as well. And then came with a follow up to Gerry's post. I guess you missed all that.

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                    • R. Steele
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                      #11
                      There are Two separate sets of keystroke commands for signals, the Clear commands and the Reset commands:
                      Both use the Tab key

                      Clear Signal Forward >>>> Tab
                      Clear Signal Backward >>> Shift + Tab

                      Reset Signal Forward >>>> Control + Tab
                      Reset Signal Backward >>> Shift + Control + Tab
                      Cheers, Gerry
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                      • Claude350
                        1500 Post Veteran
                        • Nov 1999
                        • 1615
                        • Savannah, Georgia, USA.

                        #12
                        Originally posted by R. Steele
                        There are Two separate sets of keystroke commands for signals, the Clear commands and the Reset commands:
                        Both use the Tab key

                        Clear Signal Forward >>>> Tab
                        Clear Signal Backward >>> Shift + Tab

                        Reset Signal Forward >>>> Control + Tab
                        Reset Signal Backward >>> Shift + Control + Tab
                        I'd forgotten about the reset function. Thanks for the reminder.

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                        • R. Steele
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Claude350
                          I thought for sure in my initial post I said try the control tab as well. And then came with a follow up to Gerry's post. I guess you missed all that.
                          Claude you sure had me fooled, I thought you were posting about the Reset commands when you used the phrase "control tab".
                          (that it was a web typo not including the + sign)
                          Cheers, Gerry
                          "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                          It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
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                          • prr4ever
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                            #14
                            red signals

                            Claude, If I missed your post about the shift+tab it was not on purpose. So thank you.

                            Sometimes in answering several posts I include everyones in the same answer, no intent to ignore anyone.

                            Dave
                            Dave Kolbenschlag

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                            • prr4ever
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                              • North Port, Florida, USA
                              • French English
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                              #15
                              Red signal

                              Thanks Gerry and Claude. I got the info I need. and I thank all of you for your help.
                              Dave Kolbenschlag

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