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  • prr4ever
    1000 Post Veteran
    • Jun 2004
    • 1272
    • North Port, Florida, USA
    • French English
    • ORTS

    #31
    Just sent a log on a run I just did. Yes, lots of signals around there! Did you try reversing into the Caldwell grain area from the main? I can not clear the reds when backing. Was not using dispatchers window though. Have not learned to use that yet. Next item on the list.
    Dave Kolbenschlag

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    • OTTODAD
      1
      • Feb 2001
      • 32344
      • England
      • General

      #32
      If Ctrl-M MANUAL mode has been set once then all switches front and behind should be settable and all signals be PERMISSIVE, the latter can be set to be with the Switch List Generator in MSTS !

      No problems with MANUAL switches in EXPLORE mode, but no loose consists can be placed to be used for shunting with, like can be done in short paths MSTS Freestyle activities
      !

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      • prr4ever
        1000 Post Veteran
        • Jun 2004
        • 1272
        • North Port, Florida, USA
        • French English
        • ORTS

        #33
        Otto, if you read all the posts on this thread you will understand I know what manual mode SHOULD do. Unfortunately it is not doing so for me. As to placing loose consists for switching in yards, no problem with that. Yard switches and signals do work. It is on the main that the current problem lies. Signals DO NOT turn permissive under the conditions I have posted, thus the sim goes into automatic mode if I drive through the absolute stop. It is supposed to do that. In manual that signal, when tabbed, should be permissive. It is not. Tabbing gets the dispatcher permission, but never a permissive signal.

        As to SWG it is limited to whatever routes someone has made a template for. Even that will not function on the main often.
        Dave Kolbenschlag

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        • R. Steele
          3500 Post Veteran

          • Feb 2013
          • 3928
          • known universe
          • ORTS

          #34
          Originally posted by prr4ever
          Just sent a log on a run I just did. Yes, lots of signals around there! Did you try reversing into the Caldwell grain area from the main? I can not clear the reds when backing. Was not using dispatchers window though. Have not learned to use that yet. Next item on the list.
          I got the log, wonderful, you've got 3068 up and running, once you've had a chance to fool around with it I'm sure the problems you have experienced will cease. Of course, with your level of MSTS experience you may have found some sort of bug in OR, always that possibility. Harder for me to spot them.

          I posted some screenshots backing into Caldwell Grain, no troubles. Also do not have any problems with signals on the main. I either tab to clear ahead one or two signals or use the Dispatch Viewer to clear signals, Proceed for Green, Approach for Yellow along the path I need...if I am off path (train in track monitor is red when off path). Also switches can be thrown.

          Dispatch Viewer: Control+9 to activate and then Alt+Tab to show ... I think you need to be in windowed mode to show...that may have been changed? Right click on switch to open switch options...to main or to siding.

          I often use the Dispatch Viewer, mainly because I'm still inexperienced with throwing switches that are close together, like the ones in the Caldwell Grain siding.

          I know this is a lot of info...but OR is worth learning. Once you get over the initial hump you'll be very pleased at how well OR performs.

          I looked at your log, there are other options you can check for easier operation but that can be for a later date, I'm sure other folks have suggestions...you can really tailor OR to your individual rig for better performance.

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          Last edited by R. Steele; 05-12-2015, 11:11. Reason: for clarity
          Cheers, Gerry
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          • prr4ever
            1000 Post Veteran
            • Jun 2004
            • 1272
            • North Port, Florida, USA
            • French English
            • ORTS

            #35
            Thanks Gerry,
            I did have other options checked but had unchecked them for the one I sent to keep it more simple. I will just keep trucking along here with OR and try to reason out why those signals will not change to approach when I go to back into Caldwell off the main. I sure appreciate your time with this!! I do see a lot of potential with OR and will stay with it. I doubt that years of experience with MSTS help much. In fact, I believe we get so used to what MSTS does or does not do that we screw up thinking (or not thinking) OR works the same way. I will try the dispatchers window and see if the signals will give me approach with that method.

            Dave
            Dave Kolbenschlag

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            • prr4ever
              1000 Post Veteran
              • Jun 2004
              • 1272
              • North Port, Florida, USA
              • French English
              • ORTS

              #36
              Gerry,
              Forgot to ask. Since you ran the same route as I did did you notice misplaced scenery? Trees on the tracks? That is not present when running the same activity in MSTS.
              Dave Kolbenschlag

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              • Vince
                6500 Post Veteran

                • Nov 1999
                • 6961
                • Mohave

                #37
                Trees on tracks is a known problem with OR displaying forest area objects.
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                • R. Steele
                  3500 Post Veteran

                  • Feb 2013
                  • 3928
                  • known universe
                  • ORTS

                  #38
                  Originally posted by prr4ever
                  Gerry,
                  Forgot to ask. Since you ran the same route as I did did you notice misplaced scenery? Trees on the tracks? That is not present when running the same activity in MSTS.
                  Dave,
                  Like Vince posted, a known problem. The Ohio routes by Richard Garber do seem to have more instances of this than other routes, no criticism or anything implied just turned out that way. OR Devs don't have access to that particular part of the MSTS code, so they came as close as they could.
                  I have started to learn how to use the RE to move the shrubbery, that is interesting. I am amazed people build all these wonderful routes using that beast, what patience and talent.

                  Keep working with OR, you'll enjoy yourself, lots of help to be found here and at other forums with OR threads.
                  Cheers, Gerry
                  "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                  It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                  Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
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                  • prr4ever
                    1000 Post Veteran
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 1272
                    • North Port, Florida, USA
                    • French English
                    • ORTS

                    #39
                    Well, all those trees sure raise cain with the sheet metal on the front!!

                    No thanks, I do not want to learn how to move scenery around!
                    Dave Kolbenschlag

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                    • woodfyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 232
                      • On the Rocky Coast of Maine

                      #40
                      Our crews Always carry a chainsaw in the cab.
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                      • prr4ever
                        1000 Post Veteran
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1272
                        • North Port, Florida, USA
                        • French English
                        • ORTS

                        #41
                        LOL! Must be tough on the timetable though!
                        Dave Kolbenschlag

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