Dekosoft GP30 Pro Union Pacific, Santa Fe and BNSF sets

[crstagg]

Dekosoft Trains has just released it first Open Rails GP30 Pro Sets in various schemes of Union Pacific, Santa Fe and BNSF.
They come with 3dCabs.

It was a pleasure to get to beta test them.

Get them at http://www.dekosoft.com/trains/

By the way, only run them in OR as they will not run in MSTS.

[kraus]

What is preventing these models from running in MSTS?

[crstagg]

What is preventing these models from running in MSTS?

I'm not sure. I removed the 3dCab part, but failed when I tried to run in MSTS.

ConBuilder has no problem with it, but if one of the OR parameters were wrong ConBuilder would not report that. But we are looking into upgrading ConBuilder or creating a separate program for OR.

[bennycdn]

Nice,but kind of limits it.

[crstagg]

Nice,but kind of limits it.

In what way? Version 1.0 of OR is about to be released. Dump MSTS and Bin for running, but keep MSTS for the Editors for a while.

[R. Steele]

Nice,but kind of limits it.

You're choice to adapt, it's going to happen. Many developers are taking OR quite seriously now.
OR has taken compatibility to MSTS beyond what was originally proposed. It is NOT an identical simulation platform. It's contemporary and can support much, much more than MSTS (models, routes, sound, graphics).

You can still run MSTS, it will always be with us. People will still be posting about how to install Bin (a fine addition, no question) and debating other fine points of MSTS "features". MSTS opened the door, OR is just another milepost on the track, and one that I'm happy to see.

Be happy, be pleased, what fun.

[crstagg]

Besides ORTS has far beyond features MSTS an Bin can't do an one of them I'm freshly satisfied about ORTS is the braking an how angle cocks on cars can open an close on a car of choosing. MSTS never on a chosen path route set you the route the path truly is set to be in activiteys in explore mode route, neither does MSTS an Bin in explore or activity let you line a number of switches without really having to be right behind the switch. An since when did MSTS have AI's do switching by picking up an dropping off cars like ORTS or even have AI's have smoke.

UP, Looks like you are short a few commas and periods. Feel free to use any of the ones below to edit your post. Then maybe we can understand what you are saying.

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[kraus]

The problem with the model is the shape file. I substituted the shape file gp30_up713.s in the engine file with DRGW_GP30_3002.s from Streamlines Green River route and it worked within Train Simulator. So the engine file, cab files and sounds are compatible with MSTS. It is the shape file that is defective.

A bug report will be filed to fix this defect in Open Rails. If a shape file does not work in MSTS it should also not work in Open Rails.

As further confirmation that the shape file is not compatible with MSTS I tried to add it as a static object into a route.

Static (
Class ( "Locomotive" )
FileName ( gp30_up713.s )
Align ( None )
Description ( "Dekosoft UP GP30 713" )
)

Placing the object in Route Editor results in an error of

Shape failed to load, gp30_up713.s

[crstagg]

The problem with the model is the shape file. I substituted the shape file gp30_up713.s in the engine file with DRGW_GP30_3002.s from Streamlines Green River route and it worked within Train Simulator. So the engine file, cab files and sounds are compatible with MSTS. It is the shape file that is defective.

A bug report will be filed to fix this defect in Open Rails. If a shape file does not work in MSTS it should also not work in Open Rails.

The Shape works fine in Open Rails. Here is UP713 on the WP3.

713.jpg

And Shape Viewer has no problem displaying it either:

gp30_up713.jpg

[kraus]

Both Shape Viewer and Open Rails are broken if they display a shape that cannot be displayed by Train Simulator. I have altered the shape by removing the animations and first two LOD levels and the shape still fails to load.

Edit: Broken may be a little too harsh. They should display a warning message that the shape is not compatible with Train Simulator.

[dredick]

Both Shape Viewer and Open Rails are broken if they display a shape that cannot be displayed by Train Simulator. I have altered the shape by removing the animations and first two LOD levels and the shape still fails to load.

What do the OR log files say about UP 713?

[crstagg]

Both Shape Viewer and Open Rails are broken if they display a shape that cannot be displayed by Train Simulator. I have altered the shape by removing the animations and first two LOD levels and the shape still fails to load.

That logic does not make sense to me at all. What makes MSTS the defining program?

Go tell Paul Guasden that Shape viewer is "broken." Go over to Elvas Tower and tell the OR developers that ORTS is "broken."

My observations tell me that Shape Viewer and ORTS are capable of displaying shapes that MSTS cannot display.

[crstagg]

What do the OR log files say about UP 713?

The only entries for 713 in the OR Log I have after I ran 713 in OR is annotation about the consist which is named UP 713.

[dredick]

The problem with the model is the shape file. I substituted the shape file gp30_up713.s in the engine file with DRGW_GP30_3002.s from Streamlines Green River route

I do not see how you were able to do that since they are from different authors, and the texture mappings are different.

If a shape file does not work in MSTS it should also not work in Open Rails

Whose rule is that?

[kraus]

My observations tell me that Shape Viewer and ORTS are capable of displaying shapes that MSTS cannot display.

Microsoft Train Simulator is the reference implementation of shape files. If it cannot open a shape file then that file is not properly formatted. One problem with shape gp30_up713.s is the hierarchy of the second and third LODs. The first LOD is defined as

hierarchy ( 85 -1 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 5 5 5 0 11 11 11 11 11 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 43 0 45 0 0 0 49 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 )

while the second and third LODs are defined as

hierarchy ( 85 -1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 )

The first attribute of the hierarchy element is a count of matrix elements and the remaining attributes are offsets into the matrices element. -1 means that element does not have a parent while positive numbers refer to it's parent. A value of -2 is invalid and means the shape is not valid.

I deleted both the second and third LODs but the shape still did not load into Train Simulator but does load into Shape Viewer.