OR crashes to menu while trying to load a certain route

[erielackawanna]

Hello,

Since the release of OR v2619, the program has been crashing to the menu while trying to a load a certain route that I have been developing with a group of people. OR crashes when the gray bar is almost half-way loading across the route screen. I would include a log report; however, OR does not get generate one following the crash. I have found that the route does not crash using OR v2618. Using OR v2619, the program also crashes to the menu when trying to load an earlier version of the route. OR versions prior to v2619 were/are able to load this earlier version of the route. Interestingly, I can run another route using v2625 without OR crashing. I have not done anything to the route project I am involved in since the release of v2619. Does anyone have a idea why OR crashes when loading this particular route using v2619 and subsequent releases?

Thank you in advance of your help.

[peaches461999]

Sort of having a similar issue with the route I am developing. I'm currently installing GE real terrain onto the demmed route. But what I have found so far with mine, is that when I modify one particular tile, I get the load bar exactly as you describe, it loads halfway, screen then goes black with the OR logo on it for a few moments, and then crash to menu. I undid that particular tiles texture back to default and OR once again works. I've not tried older versions with that tile textured from GE, but maybe I'll install 2619 and reapply GE textures to that particular tile and see if I get this crash.

[baldwin]

2619 introduced a new code component called Watchdog. Its role is to keep an eye on the load sequence, and when a thread ceases to respond for any reason it is set to shut OR down. Some routes work because they do not have a lot of things to load, others crash because of the number of world files to be processed, some because there is a lot of AI traffic to sort out.

I am running 2618 as my main OR for now. http://james-ross.co.uk/projects/or/builds is a repository that has a long list of downloadable versions of OR.

[erielackawanna]

Hello Merv,

Thank you for your helpful message.

I understand that OR is a work-in-progress. I hope that I will eventually be able to once again run the route project I am involved in using present and future releases of the simulator.

[peaches461999]

Ok, I thought in my case that it was a certain world tile and the GE terrtex that was causing my issue. I undid that tile, OR would load route. So then I went and textured another tile along my ROW, and went to test that tile in OR, and bang crash again. So I would have to say Watchdog is not allowing this to load any longer. I have a lot of world tiles, Have only got about 20 miles of track laid, some roads some scenery and was doing the Solution for Real Terrain for Terrtex. I don't think this route is as big or as complex as Horseshoe or the PRR I downloaded v2618 and it loads the route, unlike the most current version, But my tile that has trackside grass is showing all grey as is the single loco in my small consist. Route opens just fine in MSTS...and did what I didn't want to do...load it in MSTS and run my test train, but it loaded and ran fine. Was hoping I could throw more at OR in regards to building a route...but at this point, seems like I've hit the wall. I will try some other versions to see if I can find one that will work again.

[peaches461999]

Well, as far as developing route for OR, it appears Watchdog is the culprit here. The route I'm working on works fine in all the MSTS editors, and even loads within MSTS to run my test activity. But OR latest updates after 2619 cannot load and run the activity. Earlier versions of OR do load the activity, but randomly gives me shapes where the textures don't load. Just to update on what I've found in trouble shooting this.

[baldwin]

Items showing as grey mean that the loader process is unable to locate a texture for the object. I don't recollect seing what your operating system is and where you have MSTS installed. The grey non textured objects are hinting, but I do need to know before I can properly analyse the problem.

[Vince]

I was able to run the PRR Eastern but no longer.

I get the same symptom; Okay in the MSTS Editors & Sim but crash on startup of any activity or explore any location.

11-04-14 OpenRailsLog.txt

edit add: forgot to say that Route_Riter runs a clean [CHECK ROUTE] test after all SoundSource errors are corrected along a couple of missing seasonal textures.
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[baldwin]

That is the new watchdog code at work. It kills OR if it considers any running thread to be non responsive. PRR has a lot of world files with a lot of data to cross reference. While that is going on, nothing else gets processed, watchdog kills OR. Same happens with complicated activities even if the world files get through. Use my link in post #3 and roll back to 2618.

[eric]

Looks like I picked the right week to quit updating...

[peaches461999]

Items showing as grey mean that the loader process is unable to locate a texture for the object. I don't recollect seing what your operating system is and where you have MSTS installed. The grey non textured objects are hinting, but I do need to know before I can properly analyse the problem.

MSTS is installed per Steam 4 me tutorial. i5-2320 @ 3.00GHz, 8GB Ram, W8 x64, GEForce GTX 760 4096MB GDDR5.


I have 2618 installed, and I get the non textured ROW grasses and untextured loco. If I go and undo just one tile that has been updated with real terrain textures the grass and loco textures come back.

The most recent version, behaves differently. Unlike 2618, which will load but has the above mentioned textures missing, the most recent version will not load the route, and the load bar when I try to run my test train...the load bar goes about halfway to two thirds of the way across the screen, goes to black desktop, and then kicks right back to main menu. And if I go and undo the GE terrtex from any one tile within the route, the most recent version will load the route and ROW grasses and loco have their texture.

Even through all this, the route does load in MSTS route editor, the activity editor and loads in MSTS with no issues with the lowest frame rates being in the mid 30s on up.

Is there anyway to adjust watchdog? I was developing this route with OR in mind since it utilizes the GPU more than the CPU, unlike MSTS. This route looks so much better in OR than MSTS. And since I had the real terrain program working, this route was looking pretty darn good with the initial results. And after running my test train in MSTS, even with the windowed mode mod, it looks good, but not as good as in OR. In OR I was still getting frame rates up into the 200s.

[peaches461999]

I see that Vince reports the PRR Eastern no longer runs with the latest update. Please add the Horseshoe Curve to that also. It was working but now does not work in OR. Does work with 2618. Watchdog seems to be counterproductive as it's taken us backwards, and making MSTS the better sim once again. Hope you guys can reverse this. If Watchdog is not going to allow bigger, more detailed routes to load, or activities that are specifically designed to run in OR that include heavy traffic, We are right back to where we were with MSTS. The lower detail routes work, but not the latest and greatest routes that the creators put such great effort into.

[crstagg]

Add the Feather River Route to the list.

[peaches461999]

Add the Feather River Route to the list.

Didn't think of checking that one.....That REALLY hurts! I don't have Mactier installed...has anyone checked that one?

[Vince]

Actually, I love this. We are first hand taking part in building a major new train simulator, testers if you will. Providing the way to help make it right.
The powers that be are discussing this @ET. Aware of the hiccup and a solution will be found.

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Can't say that about the old MSTS now can you? That is what makes this exciting to me to be part of it . . . and it shows all what goes into making a quality simulator. . . it's hard. . . but there are a LOT of testers and it's gonna' make a great sim!

enjoy!