Open Rails Crashing

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MSTSBin now allowing locos to have rear cabs I gave this HHP one, making using the WYE to reverse it redundant by editing the Reverse Points there, but rear cabs do not work in ORTS !



Here is the MSTSBin HHP doing the business, but the ORTS HHP appears to be on greased tracks, getting wheelspin at 0'1 MpH !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/hpp-rear-cab.wmv

A freight train getting priority over a passenger train ?

[baldwin]

First thing, I have at last managed to get coupled to my train without using manual mode. The problem with the path is that on the wye, the reverse point is very close to the end of path. If you over-run that you have to enter manual mode and after that OR is completely puzzled as to which way the path actually goes.

Second point, adhesion of the HHP. There is a new option on the experimentals tab with two sliders that deal with adhesion. If these are too low, wheelslip will happen. I haven't tried with that turned off though.

[Vince]

@Baldwin,
Roger on the RP placement. Tricky move on the wye, I blew that one twice trying to figure it out.
Did not see adhesion problem on the HHP at X2439 though.

@OttO,
I was able to successfully run the 7017 as far as Wilmington Delaware station where I was caught in a 3-way snaggle of red lights, nothing moving after the last SB train passed through the station.
A NB Acela next to me at a red.
Me also NB at a red and another SB stuck about 1/2 mile up the line also at a red. Ouy vey!
But up until that point the activity ran flawlessly with the huge amount of AI traffic.

My ORTS is at X2439
It's helpful to include this number when reporting problems.

There have been many updates in the last few days dealing with reverse and waiting point issues which will surly affect activities that use them.
My activity Philadelphia to Washington Express that is distributed with the NEC4 starts off in ORTS with NB AI traffic all jammed up coming into Philly so it looks like it's true what has been advised by the OR team that AI traffic DOES indeed behave differently. Read more prototypical performance!
I would expect AI in mountain routes will be much more affected because AI will no longer pull grades with ridiculous power on the consist like a single AI SD40 pulling 50 cars over the default Marias Pass.

It has been discussed over at MLT that MSTS activities will need tuning to run in OR and that is to be expected so I don't get upset when things like this happen as my main concern is building the LIRR.

BTW, LIRR progress:
Sunnyside/ Yards, Long Island City terminal & yards and car float docks (4), car float barges and the North Shore classification yards finally completed and detailed.
Heading east now to complete the Long Beach Branch (Atlantic Division) from Lynbrook to Long Beach.

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For a RP to function one has to drive past it.

Problem in the WYE is that a RED signal is too close to it and unless TAB is being used to get permission to pass it Emergency brakes are being applied and can not be reset.

Changed this activity so that the WYE is not being used and after setting the ORTS Expermental option to this:



there was no wheelslip trying to move that player train, instead it would not move at all !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/orts-msts-compatible-wheelslip.wmv

Observe the throttle being increased in the F5-Hud !

No rear cab, I remember earlier versions of ORTS did provide, me then demonstrating how to change to the loco of a loose consist in a short-path Freestyle activity, but it somehow got lost in ongoing developments of ORTS.

Short-path MSTSBin Freestyle activities can also not be used in ORTS, Ctrl-M not working like running such an activity in MSTSBin could !

ORTS is not compatible with some of what MSTSBin can do better and it will be a long time before it can !

[Vince]

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For a RP to function one has to drive past it.

Hi OttO,

Not so in Open Rails as I've seen!

The behavior of RP's on OR is the moment your player consist is clear of a TrackNode the RP 'snaps' to the player and performs it's function. I have tested this numerous times.

This is why I suggested you make a short test activity with Reverse Points to see for yourself how they operate. Go slow and carefully watch the F4 track monitor.

I WAS able to run the activity under discussion (7017) as authored, successfully navigating the RP's in Baltimore hooking to my train and moving out northbound.

No wheelslip. (I did have wheelslip problems in earlier experimental release(s).

Don't forget to hook up brake hose and release hand brakes after coupling to your train!
You can do this manually on the F9 menu ( a royal pain) or by pressing SHIFT + / (initialize brakes) after coupling to the passenger cars.

Be sure to monitor your consist brake information in the F5 HUD (press F5+SHIFT to cycle through the F5 HUD a-la MSTS Bin)

Suggest you do as I did and print up a list of all keyboard commands. Highlight the ones you use most.
There are a LOT of new commands. Play with rain and fog!

Experiment suggestion with Reverse Points . . . .
One thing to try as I haven't yet is to place a RP close to a TrackNode which in MSTS would prevent it from operating and got you into a chasing the RP thingy' forever.
I'll hazard a guess it will function in ORTS . . . Not sure but just a guess!

It's hard to see RP operation in someone else's activity which is why I suggest experimenting with your own test activity.
I'm sure you will have a better understanding the differences between ORTS and MSTS. It sure helped me!

Back to pounding spikes.

[baldwin]

I agree with what Vince has said about RPs in OR. Once I had this behaviour tagged 7017 was a breeze in Baltimore. I have not yet reached the problem point mentioned by Vince yet though.

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Yes, forgot about the different behavior of RPs in ORTS !

Using my DB-Tracks version of the NEC-4 you can see the reverse switches move their blades once the loco has passed a certain point.

No rear cabs working in ORTS I had to drive the HHP in reverse part of the way.

After coupling on to the consist on track-1 I could drive the train not having to mess with releasing hand brakes nor connecting brake hoses and had no more problems with wheel slips nor a too slow train brakes release, having modified the ORTS General and Experimental Options.

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/orts-7015-works.wmv

[baldwin]

@Vince

I had no problems at Wilmington. I was routed round a freight south of the station, and as I arrived there the southbound Acela was arriving. The Northbound Acela arrived shortly after, and pulled out ahead of me. I left 50 seconds down because of that, arrived in Philly 2.5 minutes early. Using X2441

[Vince]

You describe exactly what I saw up to the point where the Acela to your left pulled out. The Acela never moved after stopping leaving me at the red. I guess I'll try again at X2441.

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[baldwin]

Never saw that there, but did when leaving Baltimore until almost at the tunnel entrance.

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Final run all the way from Baltimore to Philadelphia, a smooth and enjoyable drive with no more problems of any sort, other than that Overspeed display showing most of the way despite driving well below the tracks varying speed limits.

Well done Vince, the creator of this 7017 activity and many thanks to my departed friend Norbert for creating his DB-Tracks, I am using Railwaves track joint sounds with !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/nec-4-baltimore-philadelphia.wmv