Why derailments may be necessary [No Flame Wars]

[PXSE]

I think most people stopped using kryptonite coupler values a long time ago, now that routes are being built with enough short range nodes. I would say there are only a handful of people who still push that out with their stuff, and I no longer download it myself. I missed slack run-ins and run-outs, and went back a long time ago.

[UP_4848_Thunder]

Even though ORTS has front and rear Coupler's read backwards I added none kryptonite couplers on one end of my AAR standard wag's and with a future release added a separate folder for MSTS friendly physics.

[Vince]

New ORTS user (very satisified) & thoughts

Hmmm. . . I thought the unbreakable couplers were made of Unobtanium? but what do I know?

Agree with the thought of no derailment 'action', just stop the train as it does now.
Personally I hated seeing the toddler minded 'crash' videos posted and I'm glad it's not possible with OR.

Haven't tried it yet but what happens if you pass a red signal?

[baldwin]

your brakes go into emergency. You then have to enter manual mode, release the brakes and back up, when back where you should be, stop and go back to automatic mode. CTRL+m to enter and leave manual mode. This of course assumes you have time to recharge the brake system and reverse before the AI barrels round the bend.

[Vince]

Thank you Baldwin . . . I have printed the manual . . . and another thanks to the OR team for providing.

[ftldave]

So is the aversion to crash animations in order to prevent the kids from acting like Gomez Addams or, as I believe I've read before, that some railroad professional who actually experienced a train wreck might suffer mental anguish at the sight onscreen? I ignore the kids' crash videos, but have always thought seeing the consequences of reckless train handling (on my own part) to somewhat add to the realism of MSTS. That said, my opinion doesn't really matter much since I choose to postpone any Open Rails participation until version 1.0 is released.

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[digitrax83]

Hmmm. . . I thought the unbreakable couplers were made of Unobtanium? but what do I know?

Agree with the thought of no derailment 'action', just stop the train as it does now.
Personally I hated seeing the toddler minded 'crash' videos posted and I'm glad it's not possible with OR.

Haven't tried it yet but what happens if you pass a red signal?

I'm going to be as civil and calm as possible here)

I'm sorry but I need to say something.

"Toddler minded?" Seriously? Time and effort (quite a lot actually) went into making those activities: timing things right, getting Fraps all set up, decompressing those enormous videos made by Fraps, then editing them and then uploading them. (I for one, liked them as many people were very creative in how some of the crashes/derailments were pulled off)

To each their own, but as a Youtube user who cares about the videos he makes, I have to take offense.

Plus how do you know it's all little kids? People my age (college age) have done it for fun after playing seriously for a long time.

I understand you don't want derailments, that's why I'm saying it could be a tickbox in the consist menu or route select menu.

I respect your opinion and calmy disagree.

Regards,
Digitrax83

(BTW Has anyone actually tried my experiment for themselves? You'd understand my reasoning a bit better if you gave it a shot.)

From my experience with OR I believe passing a red signal does nothing. I'll have to check again.


Thanks for all your feedback guys!

[UP_4848_Thunder]

In Multiplayer the dispatcher has the right to have on/off penalty brake applications when someone exceeds the speed limits or passes a red light.

[seagoon]

........"Toddler minded?" Seriously? Time and effort (quite a lot actually) went into making those activities: timing things right, getting Fraps all set up, decompressing those enormous videos made by Fraps, then editing them and then uploading them. (I for one, liked them as many people were very creative in how some of the crashes/derailments were pulled off)

To each their own, but as a Youtube user who cares about the videos he makes, I have to take offense. .

No doubt many of the cretins who upload rubbish to YT also care about their work but that doesn't automatically place the result in the same category as an Oscar winner.

From my experience with OR I believe passing a red signal does nothing. I'll have to check again.

As mentioned by a previous poster, there is an emergency brake application.

[eric]

Plus how do you know it's all little kids? People my age (college age) have done it for fun after playing seriously for a long time.

Age doesn't imply maturity. Sometimes the only difference between a being a toddler and being an adult is the ability to drive...

I have no problem with there being a dialog box for a derailment, but visualizing it serves no purpose.

[UP_4848_Thunder]

Maybe a experienced coder that want's these badly can privately make it happen for their own personal use possible?

[twpol]

Would be nice to meet in the middle on this issue basically no visual derailment needed at all. Just consequences in the form of a popup for poor train handling or failure to follow signal indication etc. Much like what flight simulator has for when you exceed the air frame design and your plane breaks up due to pilot incompetence.

This is the official position of Open Rails.

There seems to be some confusion in this thread so I would like to reiterate that:

Exceeding limits of track, wagons, locomotives, couplings, etc. will have consequences in Open Rails. Only the couplings have been implemented so far.

We will not be implementing visual accidents, derailments and such like. The consequences will typically be a popup, train reset to 0 speed and a mark against the record of your activity play.

[tscraftsman]

This is the official position of Open Rails.

There seems to be some confusion in this thread so I would like to reiterate that:

Exceeding limits of track, wagons, locomotives, couplings, etc. will have consequences in Open Rails. Only the couplings have been implemented so far.

We will not be implementing visual accidents, derailments and such like. The consequences will typically be a popup, train reset to 0 speed and a mark against the record of your activity play.

That is excellent news thanks for the clarification on this matter.

[seagoon]

....We will not be implementing visual accidents, derailments and such like....

Thanks, James.
Nice to see an adult approach.

[Vince]

My thanks also James . . . finally an adult approach to a simulation!

aside: For anyone contemplating running Open Rails . . . With the proper hardware OR is simply stunning! I was blown away by the graphics, smooth running ease of control . . . just about everything with this new game engine is a HUGE advance for MSTS. Gentlemen, just as the MSTS Bin Patch pumped new blood into the old MSTS, your development of Open Rails has in my humble opinion has totally taken over the train simulation scene. And this allowing all the MSTS equipment/rolling stock/scenery/add-on's to run with a completely new life. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I owe you OR team members so much! Anything I can do to assist your efforts just ask.

I was getting quite worried that the route I am presently building would never see the light of day with all the difficulties I had running on my old system; Intel dual core @ 3Mhz/XP/2gig ram/2x60Gig HD/ NVidia 6600 graphics.
I had areas that got into single digit frame rates with many, many tiles with over 2000 objects. I thought dual core cpu and the Nv6600 graphic card was ok but apparently it was not.

With the proper hardware setup Open Rails simply blows away ANY of the other current simulator 'games'.
My new rig; Windows 7/ I5 Quad core @ 3Mhz/ 8Gig ram/ 2 x ADATA XPG SX900 256GB SATA III Solid State hard drives/ External 1TB HD.
These drives go for $139 each on Amazon

I installed MSTS on the secondary SSD (drive E) to avoid the main drive C:/Program Files/ well known security conflicts. (much discussed here!)

On this drive, E:\ I created a E:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator folder so that
1. I own the security in this folder. . .
2. It makes it easy when installing add-on's as most installers target C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator so I only have to substitute a 'E' for the 'C' in the installer path without having to worry about security conflicts.

You have given new life to MSTS with it's hundreds of thousands of available add-on's, most of them FREE! And I'll bet the payware equipment looks soooo much better too!

Another goodie I almost forgot to mention . . . Static consists . . . y'all remember how if you load up a yard with static consists it takes the frame rates into the toilet . . . NO MORE!
I loaded up a yard with high poly (12k) equipment and no discernible change in frame rates. Wow!

Another rather neat thing is I keep the Route Editor AND Open Rails open at the same time. Neat when I make a change in the route and can quickly see the result in OR . . .!

Again a huge thank you to the OR Team!