At my wit's end for these brakes...

[Komachi]

https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/tslib....ight&fid=27156 Ok that's my reskin and all, and I have TOTALLY replaced the brake system and EVERYTHING but I CAN NOT get the &*$%(&* brakes to RELEASE at any rate faster than like a PSI per MINUTE. @_@ Someone help me...

[rdamurphy]

OK, not sure, not an expert, but I think AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure should be "0", not 120.

Robert

[mdeming]

OK, not sure, not an expert, but I think AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure should be "0", not 120.

Robert

On a B&O E7 I have the value is 140. Just happened to pick it at random

[rdamurphy]

I went through the Acela .eng file and that's the only big difference I saw.

I guess the logical question is: Are we talking about the brakes RELEASING, or building air in the air system?

Robert

[mdeming]

I went through the Acela .eng file and that's the only big difference I saw.

I guess the logical question is: Are we talking about the brakes RELEASING, or building air in the air system?

Robert

I tried the engine and the brakes released ok but opening the throttle up did nothing, even tho the speed indicated 140, I never moved. Might not be the brakes.

[Komachi]

I've tweaked the throttle a bit, but the brakes are the issue, they just take 20 minutes to release fully....

[Komachi]

Brake setup on the eng/wag's I have tweaked and STILL having the same problem.

BrakeEquipmentType ( "Air_twin_pipe, Distributor" )

BrakeSystemType ( "Air_twin_pipe" )
MaxBrakeForce( 37kN )

EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 110 )
TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
MaxReleaseRate( 45 )
MaxApplicationRate( 45 )
MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 30 )
EmergencyResCapacity( 10 )
EmergencyResChargingRate( 30 )
BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 70 )

BrakeDistributorFullServicePressure( 82 )
BrakeDistributorMaxAuxilaryResPressure( 110 )
BrakeDistributorEmergencyResPressure( 110 )
BrakeDistributorReleaseRate( 110 )
BrakeDistributorApplicationRate( 15 )
BrakeDistributorTrainPipeControlRatio( 2.03 )
BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure( 110 )


Any darn idea what is wrong with it? I can't figure it out...

[Komachi]

Seperate post due to text limit. The eng's have the above, plus,

AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating ( 300 )
AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage ( 30000 )
AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure ( 0.1 )
AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure ( 135 )
AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical ( 1 )
AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure ( 140 )
AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure ( 0 )
AirBrakesMainResVolume ( 30 )

EngineBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction ( 6 )
EngineBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate ( 30 )
EngineBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 40 )
EngineBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure ( 0 )
EngineBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure ( 110 )
EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate ( 50 )
EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty ( 0 )
EngineBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop ( 50 )
EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake ( 1 )
EngineBrakesControllerDirectControlExponent ( 1 )
EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 0.1 )

TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction ( 5 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate ( 30 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 140 )
TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure ( 0 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure ( 110 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxQuickReleaseRate ( 180 )
TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate ( 50 )
TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty ( 0 )
TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop ( 50 )


And later in the eng,

BrakesEngineBrakeType ( "Air_twin_pipe" )
BrakesTrainBrakeType ( "Air_twin_pipe" )

BrakesEngineControllers( "Independent, Train, Dynamic, Blended" )
DoesBrakeCutPower( 1 )
DoesHornTriggerBell( 0 )
BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure( 15 )

[PORU333]

I myself am not a fan at all of the breaks in ORTS. You cannot switch out cars or pick any up without remaining at a stand still with being in forward, all breaks off, and at 100% throttle with sanders on. I get that ORTS is a work in progress, but ORTS works so much smoother on my laptop than MSTS does, which is why I am officially made the jump, but not successfully being able to do any switching is pushing me back to the clunky MSTS, because of these breaks.

[superheatedsteam]

You cannot switch out cars or pick any up without remaining at a stand still with being in forward, all breaks off, and at 100% throttle with sanders on.

May I suggest you use the 'SHIFT + /' keys to release all the brakes in the entire train instantly as a work around until the braking code in OR gets refined.

Cheers,

Marek.

[Komachi]

May I suggest you use the 'SHIFT + /' keys to release all the brakes in the entire train instantly as a work around until the braking code in OR gets refined.

Cheers,

Marek.

That's fine and dandy, till I make a application while -moving- and then I can't use that command.

[dcarleton]

I myself am not a fan at all of the breaks in ORTS. You cannot switch out cars or pick any up without remaining at a stand still with being in forward, all breaks off, and at 100% throttle with sanders on. I get that ORTS is a work in progress, but ORTS works so much smoother on my laptop than MSTS does, which is why I am officially made the jump, but not successfully being able to do any switching is pushing me back to the clunky MSTS, because of these breaks.

You make your joint, then you hit the \ key to join the air hoses, then you hit the quotation mark while holding down the shift key to release the handbrakes. Then you wait for the brakes to charge or hit the / key while holding down the Crtl key. Then you're free to go. You can hit F5 to bring up the heads up display, and then hit F5 again while holding down the shift key to bring up the status of the brakes. That way you'll know if they're releasing.

[mdeming]

I myself am not a fan at all of the breaks in ORTS. You cannot switch out cars or pick any up without remaining at a stand still with being in forward, all breaks off, and at 100% throttle with sanders on. I get that ORTS is a work in progress, but ORTS works so much smoother on my laptop than MSTS does, which is why I am officially made the jump, but not successfully being able to do any switching is pushing me back to the clunky MSTS, because of these breaks.

Then you are not working the brakes properly. You need to watch the brake levels with the F5 key on. It takes 2 times holding the ; key down to make sure they are released. The levels will then start charging, mine are at 90 or so then it takes a bit for the system to charge up.

Once you get used to it it works flawlessly. I am used to it and the charging time while longer in Open Rails is not as long as it is in the real world.

[PORU333]

You make your joint, then you hit the \ key to join the air hoses, then you hit the quotation mark while holding down the shift key to release the handbrakes. Then you wait for the brakes to charge or hit the / key while holding down the Crtl key. Then you're free to go. You can hit F5 to bring up the heads up display, and then hit F5 again while holding down the shift key to bring up the status of the brakes. That way you'll know if they're releasing.

Thank you, this was very helpful. I forgot to mention this thanks earlier, After reading your post, I then found a manual that I downloaded onto my desktop to look through while operating ORTS. I just wish more people could be helped instead of simply saying I am doing it wrong, and not explain it as you did. Again, thanks!

Then you are not working the brakes properly. You need to watch the brake levels with the F5 key on. It takes 2 times holding the ; key down to make sure they are released. The levels will then start charging, mine are at 90 or so then it takes a bit for the system to charge up.

Once you get used to it it works flawlessly. I am used to it and the charging time while longer in Open Rails is not as long as it is in the real world.

dcarleton informed me what I was doing incorrectly, and no, it wasn't me missing the double tap of the ; key.