Slow and 2-Parts Train Brakes Release

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It still takes 2 separate held-down presses of the keyboard's Train Brakes Release key ; for them to be fully released, taking too long.

Any chance of this being fixed soon !

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[seagoon]

The operation is fine as it is and doesn't need fixing.
First press initiates or activates the operation, second press completes it.

And the "taking too long" reflects real life. If you want a shortened, unrealistic, brake release, use "Shift+/".

This is a simulation - not Railworks.

Bruce

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https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?314246-Releasing-Brakes-Quickly&p=1805553#post1805553

Looking forward to that being fixed as well as other reported glitches like the one below.

B.t.w., the quick train brakes release Shift-/ does not work using either Shift key !

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[baldwin]

I find the two stage brake release very handy on passenger runs. It means I can run into a station stop, and then partially release the train brakes without having to keep an eye on the pressures. When given the rightaway from the conductor, there is less to release, making for a faster start. Shift+/ does indeed work. It is the locomotive brakes bailoff and brings the BC figure down faster. As this is supposed to be a simulator I would hate to see instant brake release added. You can always turn off Graduated release in Options.

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I find the two stage brake release very handy on passenger runs. It means I can run into a station stop, and then partially release the train brakes without having to keep an eye on the pressures. When given the rightaway from the conductor, there is less to release, making for a faster start. Shift+/ does indeed work. It is the locomotive brakes bailoff and brings the BC figure down faster. As this is supposed to be a simulator I would hate to see instant brake release added. You can always turn off Graduated release in Options.

I have Graduated Release Air Brakes tuned off.

Shift+/ does nothing and still requires 2 presses of the ; key to fully release the train brakes.

Show me a video of train brakes being released faster using it !

Many have their own preferences of how to drive their simulator trains, but as Peter Smith (Ragtimer) has confirmed, how ORTS handles train brakes is not what happens in reality and this being a SIMULATOR should SIMULATE how REAL TRAINS brakes work !

The PIEngineering RailDriver uses a DASH-9 console layout and like in the real one it's train brake lever should release them fully from applied 100% to Zero in one movement of the train brake handle !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/train-brakes.wmv

Is there a real US diesel loco driver reading this forum who can tell us how the train brakes of locos they drive work, Peter Smith already has told us ?

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[dcarleton]

Shift+/ does nothing and still requires 2 presses of the ; key to fully release the train brakes.

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You do realize that you just answered your own question, correct? Shift+/ reduces brake line pressure to zero instantaneously, and then OR maintains the brake line pressure at whatever the brake handle is set at. You have to move the brake handle to Released, then do Shift+/. Otherwise you get zero instantaneously and then instantaneously back to the same application you had before. The proper use for Shift+/ is when picking up cars that have their air bottled (which is against the rules now), they will have near full pressure right away. It's not a cheat, it's a control.

You are correct that Shift+/ still requires two presses of the ; key to fully release the train brakes.

You are incorrect that Shift+/ does nothing.

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You do realize that you just answered your own question, correct? Shift+/ reduces brake line pressure to zero instantaneously, and then OR maintains the brake line pressure at whatever the brake handle is set at. You have to move the brake handle to Released, then do Shift+/. Otherwise you get zero instantaneously and then instantaneously back to the same application you had before. The proper use for Shift+/ is when picking up cars that have their air bottled (which is against the rules now), they will have near full pressure right away. It's not a cheat, it's a control.

Thanks for trying to explain how SHIFT+/ works. I read that to mean holding down the SHIFT key and at the same time press the / key, which I usually show as SHIFT-/ !

In this video I have held down the ; key until the train brake handle has reached it's stop and then pressing SHIFT-/ nothing happened other than the main reservoir pressure indicator dropping by 1 every time I press SHIFT-/ repeatedly !

Then have to press ; again to fully release the train brakes when SHIFT-/ has mothing to release.

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/shift-train-brake-release.wmv
Alt-Enter to view Full-Screen.

I have been using train simulators since 2001, MSTS, BVE, Trainz, Trainmaster and Railworks and neither have Steam, Diesel or Electric locos which have train brakes that work like the ones in ORTS and doubt whether real locos have, Peter confirming that they do not !

I am going to be busy for a while installing the highly rated MSTS MEP and then convert it for use with DB-Tracks !

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[seagoon]

I am going to be busy for a while installing the highly rated MSTS MEP and then convert it for use with DB-Tracks !

Hurry back.

Bruce

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The only brake type in MSTS that appears to work realistically is,I believe "Air Single Pipe" as it correctly models the inability to get a partial release but the "compressors" refill the main res far too fast.The brake rate i.e how fast the brakes apply and release appears to be able to be modified in the sim.On UK freight locos it is possible to make an emergency application which reduces the brake pipe to zero immediately whereas normal service applications never reduce the BP pressure that far.I have some Making Tracks electric units which appear to have a reasonably good representation of the Westcode 3 step brake but never having driven an EMU I cannot verify that.It appears to me the ORTS people have not studied the real world of brakes before producing their representation.Try this: http://www.railway-technical.com/air-brakes.shtml and http://www.railway-technical.com/brake2.shtml

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Thanks Peter for showing us what train brakes are all about, you being a UK loco driver know all about.

Seems so confirm that moving the DASH-9 train brakes lever to it's release position, as shown on my RailDriver, that they are being fully released without delay as is the case in MSTS !

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[ragtimer]

Al uses the wrong word,the release is gradual but not partial.The rate of release depends on the timing of the distributors (triple valves in the US).Freight here is increasingly being worked in passenger timings,gives a much quicker release and makes train handling easier (but less skillful ! )