Open Rails Newbee

[Don6218]

Hello, after enjoying MSTS all these years I decided to try OR. I have followed the directions for the correct instal, but I am having some issues. One is WIN 7 64bit giving any problems with OR?

Once I had everything installed, I did a "TEST" on the screen that lets you test all the different consists, I guess, and it was coming up with numbers in the various columns: passed ; tested ; and under errors: three numbers. What do those numbers represent? For the Surfliner2 route, HT Amtrak 14 activity it was "1/18/1" and it did not pass. In the spreadsheet it says "1-error, 18-warnings, 1-infos", what do they indicate? Are these all listed somewhere that I did not read far enough?

I tried running various acts on different routes, that perform properly in MSTS, but in OR the act would start, then after various short lengths of time it would just shut down to a white screen. The views and the look of OR is just fantastic from what I was able to observe. The routes and acts were even the default ones, with no changes, and they would not operate.

I am running Win7 64bit 12gb RAM with MSTS installed on it's own SSD drive. I tried running OR installed on that same drive as well as from the desktop with no difference.

How can I go to the problem areas and make suitable corrections? OR is the
0.8.0 Version $Revision: 1251 $ 09/25/2012 Tue 03:21 PM

[scottb613]

Hi Don,

Look closely at the download page for OR - they have a link to the "experimental" download... They were up to x1600 last I looked... They've made many improvements since 1251... I'd give that a try for starters...

Regards,
Scott

[baldwin]

I run OR in Win7 64bit with 8Gb of ram, and have no real problems with it. Main thing to do is set all of the OR exe files to run as administrator which get round a lot of file permissions problems.

To actually see what the warnings, errors, etc are, you need to run the activity. OR will generate a log file in a folder on your desktop with all the information in it.

[seagoon]

.. OR will generate a log file in a folder on your desktop with all the information in it.

It doesn't do so by default; you need to tick the box in the Options menu.

Bruce

[baldwin]

Just to be clear, it is not in the Options menu, but there is a tick box for Logging underneath the Options button.

[Don6218]

I am going to try that newer download. Now with that said, I ran a test on another activity and it came out a total pass with no problems listed. When I try to run the Activity, I get an error box telling me that "Open Rails has stopped working" on both the "Default" setting and the MSTS Files setting.
I will see if that other newer download helps first.

Thank You
Don

[baldwin]

Are you running the OR execs with administrator rights?. If not you are probably falling foul of the Win7 protection system.

[Don6218]

Just tried that, again, and I am still getting the message as follows:
OR Stopped Running.jpg

I am now getting this every time I try to open the activity in OR. The test comes out with no errors for the act.

I noticed that there are quite a few "updates" at the OR site to deal with "bugs" in the system. Do they have to be downloaded separately or are they all included with the "Experimental" exe that I installed?

I am not computerese literate, so what comes back in the DOS screen is just so much *&^&&%E$$##@##$$ to me. I understand that OR is a good operating system for MSTS and the short time I was able to drive the Surfliner Train I could really tell the difference. There was no stuttering at all and the edges were all nice and smooth. It is definately the way to go!

This is the log:
Open Rails is starting...
Argument 0 = -start
Argument 1 = F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\ACTIVITIES\HT_Amtrak_58 3.act
Version = X.1605
Build = 0.0.4883.40014 (2013-05-15 22:13:48Z)
Logfile = C:\Users\Don\Desktop\OpenRailsLog.txt
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Alerter = False
AvatarURL = (registry) http://www.openrails.org/images/ICONmediumOD.jpg
BrakePipeChargingRate = 21
BreakCouplers = False
Cab2DStretch = 0
DataLogger = False
DistantMountains = False
DistantMountainsLoweringValue = 5
DistantMountainsViewingTiles = 20
DynamicShadows = False
FullScreen = (registry) True
GraduatedRelease = False
LODViewingExtention = False
Logging = True
LoggingFilename = OpenRailsLog.txt
LoggingPath = C:\Users\Don\Desktop
Menu_Selection = (registry) F:\MSTS2, F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2, F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\ACTIVITIES\HT_Amtrak_58 3.act
MSTSBINSound = (registry) True
Multiplayer = False
Multiplayer_Host = (registry)
Multiplayer_Port = 30000
Multiplayer_UpdateInterval = 10
Multiplayer_User = (registry)
MultiplayerClient = False
MultiplayerServer = False
Precipitation = False
Profiling = False
ProfilingFrameCount = 0
ProfilingTime = 0
ReplayPauseBeforeEnd = True
ReplayPauseBeforeEndS = 0
ScreenshotPath = C:\Users\Don\Pictures\Open Rails
ShaderModel = 0
ShadowAllShapes = False
ShadowMapBlur = True
ShadowMapCount = 4
ShadowMapDistance = 0
ShadowMapResolution = 1024
ShowAvatar = False
ShowErrorDialogs = True
SoundDetailLevel = 5
SoundVolumePercent = 100
SuperElevationGauge = 1435
SuperElevationMinLen = 50
SuppressConfirmations = False
TrainLights = (registry) True
UseAdvancedAdhesion = True
UseSuperElevation = 0
VerticalSync = False
ViewDispatcher = False
ViewingDistance = 2000
ViewingFOV = 45
WindowGlass = (registry) True
WindowPosition_Activity = 50, 50
WindowPosition_Compass = 50, 0
WindowPosition_ComposeMessage = 50, 50
WindowPosition_DriverAid = 100, 100
WindowPosition_Help = 50, 50
WindowPosition_NextStation = 0, 100
WindowPosition_Quit = 50, 50
WindowPosition_Switch = 0, 50
WindowPosition_TrackMonitor = 100, 0
WindowPosition_TrainOperations = 50, 50
WindowSize = 1024x768
Wire = False
WorldObjectDensity = 10
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Mode = Activity
Activity = F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\ACTIVITIES\HT_Amtrak_58 3.act
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Loading TRK TDB

Warning: Track node pin has invalid link 0 in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\Surfliner2.tdb:line 38003

Warning: Track node pin has invalid link 0 in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\Surfliner2.tdb:line 38051

SIGCFG DAT ACT RDB

Warning: Track node pin has invalid link 0 in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\Surfliner2.rdb:line 101460

Warning: Track node pin has invalid link 0 in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\Surfliner2.rdb:line 108563

Warning: Track node pin has invalid link 0 in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\Surfliner2\Surfliner2.rdb:line 108769

CARSPAWN SIGSCR ssss

Warning: sigscr-file line 44 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLSHUNTGCOR

Warning: sigscr-file line 111 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLREPEATGCOR

Warning: sigscr-file line 170 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLDISTANTGCOR

s

Warning: sigscr-file line 44 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLSHUNTGCOR

Warning: sigscr-file line 111 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLREPEATGCOR

Warning: sigscr-file line 170 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLDISTANTGCOR

ss

Warning: sigscr-file line 44 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLSHUNTGCOR

Warning: sigscr-file line 111 : Multiple definition of signaltype JJHCTRLREPEATGCOR

[apco25]

You really need to keep up with the updates i.e the experimental "X" versions. OR team is up to 1605 now. A lot of improvement have been made since V.08 1251 Each X version is all inclusive, no other downloads are required. Download, unzip and over-write everything in your OR folders and away you go.

Check your log file. Errors halt the program. Warnings tell you above something that may need to be corrected, but the game engine can ignore and move past. OR is more forgiving of errors than MSTS which would just crash out on you most of the time without any idea of what's truly wrong. OR is more verbose and will find more potential problems and advise you of them as warnings. MSTS would either crash out completely or ignore and move on.

Btw, OR is not an operating system that's what Windows 7 is. OR is a game engine. Bit of a different there.

While it is still a developmental release OR is lightyears beyond what MSTS can do, is a dynamic and current game engine, not static and old like MSTS and breathes new life into the huge pile of content available.

Be glad you made the switch and despite the naysayers, don't look back and embrace OR.

[baldwin]

Don

It may be the activity itself for some reason. Try and see if one of the default activities on a default route starts and runs.

[Don6218]

Yes I do know that OR is not an operating system. I tried running some of the default acts, but got the same result. Once OR crashes out of the program, it refuses to open any other acts. The screen shot below illustrates this as the error I am getting is reffering to OR not being able to start.

I would like someone to decifer the log file I have posted and see if anything can be gained from it. That would give me something to look into further, because right now I have no idea where to look for the errors that are being pointed out.

Thank you again.

[Don6218]

I just tried to run NEC Train Rescue and the same thing happened, OR quit about 2 minutes into the activity. That is about the same time frame the Surfliner was running. The log follows:

Open Rails is starting...
Argument 0 = -start
Argument 1 = F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1\ACTIVITIES\tnrescue.act
Version = X.1605
Build = 0.0.4883.40014 (2013-05-15 22:13:48Z)
Logfile = C:\Users\Don\Desktop\OpenRailsLog.txt
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Alerter = False
AvatarURL = (registry) http://www.openrails.org/images/ICONmediumOD.jpg
BrakePipeChargingRate = 21
BreakCouplers = False
Cab2DStretch = 0
DataLogger = False
DistantMountains = False
DistantMountainsLoweringValue = 5
DistantMountainsViewingTiles = 20
DynamicShadows = False
FullScreen = (registry) True
GraduatedRelease = False
LODViewingExtention = False
Logging = True
LoggingFilename = OpenRailsLog.txt
LoggingPath = C:\Users\Don\Desktop
Menu_Selection = (registry) F:\MSTS2, F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1, F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1\ACTIVITIES\tnrescue.act
MSTSBINSound = (registry) True
Multiplayer = False
Multiplayer_Host = (registry)
Multiplayer_Port = 30000
Multiplayer_UpdateInterval = 10
Multiplayer_User = (registry)
MultiplayerClient = False
MultiplayerServer = False
Precipitation = False
Profiling = False
ProfilingFrameCount = 0
ProfilingTime = 0
ReplayPauseBeforeEnd = True
ReplayPauseBeforeEndS = 0
ScreenshotPath = C:\Users\Don\Pictures\Open Rails
ShaderModel = 0
ShadowAllShapes = False
ShadowMapBlur = True
ShadowMapCount = 4
ShadowMapDistance = 0
ShadowMapResolution = 1024
ShowAvatar = False
ShowErrorDialogs = True
SoundDetailLevel = 5
SoundVolumePercent = 100
SuperElevationGauge = 1435
SuperElevationMinLen = 50
SuppressConfirmations = False
TrainLights = (registry) True
UseAdvancedAdhesion = True
UseSuperElevation = 0
VerticalSync = False
ViewDispatcher = False
ViewingDistance = 2000
ViewingFOV = 45
WindowGlass = (registry) True
WindowPosition_Activity = 50, 50
WindowPosition_Compass = 50, 0
WindowPosition_ComposeMessage = 50, 50
WindowPosition_DriverAid = 100, 100
WindowPosition_Help = 50, 50
WindowPosition_NextStation = 0, 100
WindowPosition_Quit = 50, 50
WindowPosition_Switch = (registry) 82, 92
WindowPosition_TrackMonitor = (registry) 1, 79
WindowPosition_TrainOperations = 50, 50
WindowSize = 1024x768
Wire = False
WorldObjectDensity = 10
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Mode = Activity
Activity = F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1\ACTIVITIES\tnrescue.act
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Loading TRK TDB SIGCFG

Warning: 1 missing SignalType(s) in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1\sigcfg.dat:line 132

DAT ACT RDB CARSPAWN SIGSCR
W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) WWWWW


Information: Cannot locate TCSection for platform 399

Information: Skipped unknown notch type EngineBrakesControllerDirectControlExponent in F:\MSTS2\trains\trainset\Metroliner\Metroliner.eng :line 632


Running AI trains ...
ENV SIGCFG

Warning: 1 missing SignalType(s) in F:\MSTS2\ROUTES\USA1\sigcfg.dat:line 132

TTYPE

Information: OpenAL 1.1 using device Software by Creative Labs Inc.

TTTTTTTTTWSSSSWSSSSSSSSSSSSWWW TRP

Just a note, I went through the OR program and it has been alterred to operate without permissions. I tried running it under Admin also and it made no difference. I used the procedure I used for MSTS from Steam4Me.

[twpol]

Once I had everything installed, I did a "TEST" on the screen that lets you test all the different consists, I guess, and it was coming up with numbers in the various columns: passed ; tested ; and under errors: three numbers. What do those numbers represent? For the Surfliner2 route, HT Amtrak 14 activity it was "1/18/1" and it did not pass. In the spreadsheet it says "1-error, 18-warnings, 1-infos", what do they indicate? Are these all listed somewhere that I did not read far enough?

The "Test" feature is mostly intended for route creators and people working on Open Rails itself; it allows you to quickly test which activities and routes load. The numbers "1/18/1" are errors, warnings and information counts from the log file which is generated each time you run OR. These messages are used to inform you (and us, the developers) of anything OR found and handled by itself (information), OR found and thinks is probably wrong but it can cope (warning), and things which OR cannot handle (error).

[baldwin]

Don,
It does not look like you are posting the full OR log. Can you zip it and attach it to your post please. I want to compare it to mine with the same activity.

[apco25]

Have you considered opening a support ticket with the OR dev team?