I have poor FPS

[MSTS lifer]

OK.... Perhaps another dumb question.

My FPS is just CRAP!. I'm getting 8-10 FPS which is not much better if not worse than MSTS.

Yeah, I updated my Tsection.DAT and things somewhat improved. But I didn't update it to improve FPS. Two of my routes, RMD-4 and Argentine Central would not run and error messages on both said I had a invalid GLOBAL Tsection. Both routes worked after replacing the Tsection.

Back to my poor FPS and the dumb question..... DRUM ROLL...... Short of getting a better graphics card, are there any other ways to improve FPS??? (Have no idea what kind of graphics card I have, have been trying to find the info on my computer with no luck). But from what I've read about the requirements to run OR, I must have a good enough graphics card otherwise it wouldn't run. (Maybe just not enough to get good FPS for the game)

MSTS Lifer.

[seagoon]

My FPS is just CRAP!. I'm getting 8-10 FPS which is not much better if not worse than MSTS..

If it is no better than MSTS, and possibly worse, then something is drastically wrong and replacing hardware will not necessarily improve the situation.

The first thing is to find out why it is not an improvement on the FPS you experience in MSTS.
On my system, when run under OR, every Activity - EVERY one, on every route - shows a dramatic increase in frame-rates, in some cases triple figures whereas the same thing in MSTS may well be down in the low double-digits.

So if your present performance is a negligible change from MSTS then immediately upgrading your graphics card is not the way to go.

Bruce

[markus1996]

I also have the poor-fps-problem in MSTS, but not in OR - but there´s also something odd: i can´t run OR on graphics settings turned up fully, but graphics also somehow seem to change, if I change the graphics settings of MSTS...
doesn´t actually bother me, but I thin it stragen, ´cause actually i thought OR shouldn´t have to share anything with MSTS than routes and rolling stock

to your problem, MSTS Lifer: have you already tried setting down the graphics settings of OR? (screen resolution / window size, world object density, train lights, wire, dynamic shadows etc.)

[rdamurphy]

The problem with your question is simply that you don't provide enough information to provide any kind of informed advice.

Without knowing something about your computer, it's impossible to figure out what the issue may be.

Without knowing even the very basic questions, such as what OS you're using, any attempt to provide help would simply be waste of time...

Robert

[OTTODAD]

Start / Run dxdiag will tell you about what some of your computer uses.

O t t o

[MSTS lifer]

OK, here's the system info for my computer:

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506)
System Model: HP Pavilion P6000 Series
BIOS: BIOS Date: 09/07/10 08:41:32 Ver: 6.04
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Memory: 3072MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2816MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11

I also have XNA. Framework 3.1 & NET Framework 3.5 SP 1, 2 requirments to run OR.

Some obsevations: I start to lose FPS at a high degree when the camera in either "2" or "8" view is zoomed out. The more I zoom out, the more the FPS drops. (Drops down to 5-8 FPS) Zoom back in and the FPS will inmprove to about 15 at the highest. I start out with around 20-25 FPS. As any activty on any route progreses, the FPS also will start to drop. (Drops to around 12-15 FPS unless I start zooming out with the cameras)

If a train starts to slow down on a grade and power is increased, FPS starts to drop off at a high rate. (Drops to 5-10 FPS)

The train run-by "4" will cause FPS to drop off if a long train is going by.

FPS goes to the Johnny Craper and just out right freezes up the game if I go into full screen mode.

Saving and starting from where I left off will get FPS back to 20-25, but then the same problems start up again.

I have turned off wire, & dynamic shadows.

Have not adjusted screen resolution / window size, or world object density so will give that a shot.

So obviously something is dragging down FPS since everything I've read says FPS should double, tripple or better in OR compared to MSTS.

MSTS Lifer

[baldwin]

There are a multitude of HP 6000 series rigs, all with different specs. If you run dxdiag again, check the video tab and tell us what you have there please.

[lindsayts]

I have tested and run OR on muitiple systems back to a Gigabyte GA-P35 with a dual 2.2 ghz cpu and I found all systems I tried would run OR well as long as one had a reasonably decent graphics card. For such a card (Nvidia GTX560 or Radeon 5870 or such like) monitor size is not an issue as I have run a Samsung 30 inch at 2560x1600 on both cards. A quad cpu is an advantage giving a good boost in frame rate over a dual cpu. I have found nearly a 10 fold increase in frame rates over MSTS in areas of a route with a high object count, the SOB being a real good example of a route with areas of very dense objects.
Having shadows enabled will around halve the frame as the sim has to effectively process the scene twice so you may wish to check that, Although with such frame rates as you are getting points to a serious issue, probably an unsuitable graphics sub system.

Lindsay

[rdamurphy]

Memory: 3072MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2816MB RAM

This tells me that you have an on-board video GPU that's using 256MB of shared system RAM.

You're lucky OR runs at all...

Robert

[muskokaandtahoe]

This page:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId =3884665&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=3884665&obj ectID=c01887346 is not specifically about your PC but it does describe exactly what you need to do to get a Microsoft assessment of how powerful you PC is. Why don't you take a couple of minutes doing that and tell us what results you turn up?

Also, what is the specific model in the 6000 series?

IMO Robert is probably correct but lets get just a few more facts, ok?

[MSTS lifer]

Hi gang. Sorry for no further feed back. Computer went bye bye on Saturday. Did a Windows update and the BIOS got messed up. Computer under warranty, local store in town can fix it.

Computer is a Pavilion P6717c Desktop PC. That,s some info people needed to know regarding problem with very low FPS.

Graphics card & video checked out in good working order before computer took vacation.

All requirements to run OR have been added, all checked out working fine as well before computer mishap.

Can't think what more info to add, can't do anything more till computer is fixed.

Other than poor FPS, OR was working very well. Activity was doing what it should and signals were working perfectly compared to MSTS. And no terrible glitch/pause when AI trains started like MSTS.

[MSTS lifer]

Also saw threads about website regarding computer's power and RAM.

Looks like I can add 1 more memory mod, 1-2 GB. Have no idea if that will make any improvements running OR. I'm really computer stupid when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Probably can't determine computer's power from the website suggested till computer is fixed.

[markus1996]

Maybe, so you don´t have to find it out yourself, you could ask your computer´s doctor about the memory thing: how much could you add, do they think it´s little for a modern simulation program?

[MSTS lifer]

Last weekend I posted that I was having some FPS issues running OR.
That computer's motherboard died.
Geek Squad says replacing it is all that needs to done to bring the computer back from the dead.
They also said the power supply and the graphics can not be further upgraded from factory specs.
Only thing that can be added is 2GB of RAM.
Enclosed are the specs for my computer. I need to determine if my computer can run OR or if I need to consider buying a better computer.
　
Thanks MSTS Lifer
　
　
HP Pavilion P6717c Desktop PC (purchased in spring 2010)
　
Motherboard
N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix)
Manufacturer: Foxconn
Form factor: uATX
Chipset: AMD 785G
Memory sockets: 4 x DDR3
Front side bus speeds: 1333/1066/800MHz
Processor socket: AM3
Expansion Slots
1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card
3 PCI Express x1 slots
1 PCI Express x1 minicard slot
For more details, see Alvorix motherboard specifications .
Processor
AMD Athlon II X4 640
Figure 2: AMD Athlon II logo Image of AMD logo
Operating speed: Up to 3.0 GHz
Number of cores: 4
Socket: AM3
Bus speed: 4000 MHz HT3
Processor upgrade information
Max TDP: 95W
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:

NOTE:

Only Socket AM3 processors are supported with this motherboard.

AMD Phenom II X6 10xxT Six-Core (Thuban core)
AMD Phenom II X4 9xx/9xxe/8xx Quad-Core (Deneb core)
AMD Phenom II X3 7xx/7xxe Triple-Core (Heka core)
AMD Phenom II X2 5xx (Callisto core)
AMD Athlon X4 6xx/6xxe (Propus)
AMD Athlon X3 4xx/4xxe (Rana)
AMD Athlon X2 2xx/2xxe (Regor)
AMD Sempron Single Core 1xx (Sargas core)
Memory
5 GB
Amount: 5 GB
Speed: PC3-10600 MB/sec
Type: DDR3-1333
Memory upgrade information
Dual channel memory architecture
Four DDR3 DIMMs (240-pin) sockets
PC3-8500 (DDR3-1066)
PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333)
Non-ECC memory only, unbuffered
Supports 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB DDR3 DIMMs
Supports up to 16 GB on 64-bit systems
Supports up to 4 GB on 32-bit PCs
*32-bit PCs cannot address a full 4.0 GB of memory.
Video graphics
Integrated graphics using ATI Radeon 4200
*Integrated video is not available if a graphics card is installed.
Integrated graphics using ATI Radeon 4200
Integrated graphics: concurrent use of the DVI and VGA ports is supported.
Also supports PCI Express x16 graphics cards*

NOTE:

*Either integrated graphics or the PCI Express x16 slot are usable at one time; they are not usable concurrently.

Sound/Audio
Integrated ALC888S-VD audio
*Integrated audio is not available if a sound card is installed.
Audio CODEC: ALC888S-VD
Number of channels: 8
Maximum sample rate: up to 192,000 Hz
Supports one SPDIF digital connection
Networking
LAN: 10-Base-T
Technology: PCI Realtek RTL8105E
Data transfer speeds: up to 10/100 Mb/s
Transmission standards:10-Base-T Ethernet
Modem: 56K WinModem
Figure 3: Modem card side view - low profile size Image of modem card
Interface: PCI Express x1
Data transfer speeds: up to 56 kbps for V.90 connections*
Transmission standards: V.92, V.90, V.34, V.32*
Caller ID: Yes*
Modem on hold: Yes*
* Features must supported by the ISP at time of connection.
Hard drive
750 GB
Figure 4: Hard drive Image of hard drive
Size: 750 GB
Interface: SATA
Transfer rating: 3.0 Gb/sec
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
CD/DVD disc drive
SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology drive
Figure 5: Optical drive Image of the optical drive
Interface: SATA
Data buffer memory: 2 MB minimum
LightScribe: yes
Disc diameter: 120 mm
Write and read speeds for supported formats and disc types are shown in this table:
Memory Card Reader
15-in-1 multimedia card reader
Figure 6: View of memory card reader Image of card reader
Supports the following cards:
Compact Flash I
Compact Flash II
IBM Microdrive (MD)
Memory Stick (MS)
Memory Stick Duo (Duo)
Memory Stick Pro (PRO)
Memory Stick Pro Duo (Pro Duo)
MultiMediaCard (MMC)
MultiMediaCard Mobile (MMC mobile)
MultiMediaCard Plus (MMC plus)
Reduced size MultiMediaCard (RS-MMC)
Secure Digital (SD)
Secure Digital miniSD (Mini)
Smart Media
xD Picture Card (xD)
Computer Case
Mid-size ATX
Height: 38.7 cm (15.23 inches)
Width: 17.5 cm (6.89 inches)
Length: 41.4 cm (16.29 inches)

Bay size	Total Bays*
13.33 cm (5.25 inch)	2
8.89 cm (3.5 inch)	3
* Bays may be occupied by existing hardware.

Power Supply
Internal 250W (100-240V)
Form factor: internal ATX
Total Wattage: 250W
Nominal input voltage range:
100-127V ~6A
200-240V ~3A
　

[rdamurphy]

I don't understand why they told you that you can't upgrade the graphics card if you have a PCI Express x16 slot? You should be able to add any PCI-E based video card, since it's backwards compatable from 3.0 to 2.0 to 1.0. I probably wouldn't invest in a 3.0 card, but any 2.x card would work, and you're not really going to lose much using a 2.x card in a 1.0 slot...

Thanks, Robert