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  • Komachi
    1500 Post Veteran
    • Oct 2006
    • 1707
    • Lancaster, Pennsylvania

    #1

    How to get brakes to apply/release fast?

    I don't have a single problem with brakes on MSTS, but alot of my stock, the BLW stuff with the exception of the D&RGW Alco PA, and the SLI Amtrak stuff with the exception of the B32's, the brakes apply and release EXTREMELY slowly, about 1psi per second. Yet they apply/release JUST fine in MSTS. Any ideas? I've tried the 'Charging rate' value all the way up to 414, and still nothing so...
  • CSXQ100
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 156

    #2
    Hi,

    Within the short week I've had OR V0.8 I found that bumping that number to like 1,000 really helps. I also use the Hotkey (I think it's) Shift+/ (while in game you can use F1 to bring up a list of key commands) That along with the bail off drops my BC rather quickly.

    It also has alot to do with the train length vs Engine as well. The longer the train the more time is required to 'pump'
    the air.

    I hope this helps
    MJS
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    • UP_4848_Thunder
      Senior Member

      • Nov 2008
      • 370
      • Alhambra Sub MP 484/ Southern California
      • General

      #3
      By setting the flow of the BP in options air to 300-999 will be fast like in real life depending on train length and setting it to 1000 will release as if they were Electric.

      Are your passenger stocks with Pax pro brakes and using option set to Gradual Brakes?
      Last edited by UP_4848_Thunder; 12-03-2012, 19:11.
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      • Komachi
        1500 Post Veteran
        • Oct 2006
        • 1707
        • Lancaster, Pennsylvania

        #4
        Originally posted by UP_4848_Thunder
        Are your passenger stocks with Pax pro brakes and using option set to Gradual Brakes?
        Em, I dunnno, what do I need to look for in the .wag?

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        • UP_4848_Thunder
          Senior Member

          • Nov 2008
          • 370
          • Alhambra Sub MP 484/ Southern California
          • General

          #5
          Try these settings on your passenger cars including baggage cars and set the Graduated release option on.

          Passenger cars:

          BrakeEquipmentType( "Distributor, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
          BrakeSystemType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
          MaxBrakeForce ( 24kN )

          EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 140 )
          TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
          EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.461 )
          EmergencyResCapacity( 8.3 )
          EmergencyBrakeTriggerRate( 16 )
          MaxReleaseRate( 4.5 )
          MaxApplicationRate( 9.0)
          MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 1.5 )
          EmergencyResChargingRate( 6.6 )
          BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 78 )
          BrakeDistributorFullServicePressure( 78 )
          BrakeDistributorEmergencyApplicationPressure( 93 )
          BrakeDistributorMaxAuxilaryResPressure( 110 )
          BrakeDistributorEmergencyResPressure( 110 )
          BrakeDistributorReleaseRate( 4.42 )
          BrakeDistributorApplicationRate( 4.56 )
          BrakeDistributorTrainPipeControlRatio( 2.5 )
          BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure( 110 )
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          • OTTODAD
            1
            • Feb 2001
            • 32344
            • England
            • General

            #6
            Originally posted by UP_4848_Thunder
            Try these settings on your passenger cars including baggage cars and set the Graduated release option on.
            Having to do that with every item of rolling stock is not an option.

            Some acceleration is also nowhere as realistic as it should be depending on what it pulls, nothing or a long train and some high speed trains like the Acela start at a snail's pace.

            There is a lot of work to be done yet before I shall use ORTS more often.

            O t t o

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            • Komachi
              1500 Post Veteran
              • Oct 2006
              • 1707
              • Lancaster, Pennsylvania

              #7
              Originally posted by UP_4848_Thunder
              Try these settings on your passenger cars including baggage cars and set the Graduated release option on.

              Passenger cars:

              BrakeEquipmentType( "Distributor, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
              BrakeSystemType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
              MaxBrakeForce ( 24kN )

              EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 140 )
              TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
              EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.461 )
              EmergencyResCapacity( 8.3 )
              EmergencyBrakeTriggerRate( 16 )
              MaxReleaseRate( 4.5 )
              MaxApplicationRate( 9.0)
              MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 1.5 )
              EmergencyResChargingRate( 6.6 )
              BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 78 )
              BrakeDistributorFullServicePressure( 78 )
              BrakeDistributorEmergencyApplicationPressure( 93 )
              BrakeDistributorMaxAuxilaryResPressure( 110 )
              BrakeDistributorEmergencyResPressure( 110 )
              BrakeDistributorReleaseRate( 4.42 )
              BrakeDistributorApplicationRate( 4.56 )
              BrakeDistributorTrainPipeControlRatio( 2.5 )
              BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure( 110 )
              Well, I applied that to the locomotives as the passenger cars themselves applied/released fine. They apply like lightning now, but release slowly unless I bail off. And then, they keep trying to apply and release, never doign so, but it's triggering the apply sound over and over (Highly annoying), and under the brake info debug menu it keeps alternating between 'MRP 140 State Lap', 'MRP 140 State Release' and 'MRP 140 State Apply'.

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              • UP_4848_Thunder
                Senior Member

                • Nov 2008
                • 370
                • Alhambra Sub MP 484/ Southern California
                • General

                #8
                Originally posted by Komachi
                Well, I applied that to the locomotives as the passenger cars themselves applied/released fine. They apply like lightning now, but release slowly unless I bail off. And then, they keep trying to apply and release, never doign so, but it's triggering the apply sound over and over (Highly annoying), and under the brake info debug menu it keeps alternating between 'MRP 140 State Lap', 'MRP 140 State Release' and 'MRP 140 State Apply'.
                Thats because its for cars and not locomotives. These should do the trick for locos.

                These should fit leader:
                BrakeEquipmentType( "Graduated_release_triple_valve, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
                BrakeSystemType( "Air_single_pipe" )
                MaxBrakeForce( 111.3kN )
                EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 110 )
                TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
                MaxReleaseRate( 6.7 )
                MaxApplicationRate( 4.3 )
                MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 4.9 )
                EmergencyResCapacity( 4.15 )
                EmergencyResChargingRate( 5.7 )
                EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 0.325 )
                BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 70 )

                AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating( 3.1 )
                AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure( 14.7 )
                AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure( 140 )
                AirBrakesMainResVolume( 10.2 )
                AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage( 12.6kw )
                AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 134 )
                AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure( 1.44 )
                AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical( 0 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
                EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake( 1 )
                EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 0.45 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 7 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 3 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 10 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 2.5 )
                EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 8 )
                TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 7 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 15 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 15 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 90 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 110 )
                EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
                TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
                EngineBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )
                TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )

                BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
                BrakesTrainBrakeType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
                BrakesEngineControllers( "Independent, Train, Dynamic" )
                EngineBrakesControllerDirectControlExponent( 1 )

                Trail Hep units:

                BrakeEquipmentType( "Distributor, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
                BrakeSystemType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
                MaxBrakeForce( 111.3kN ) EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 110 )
                TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
                MaxReleaseRate( 6.7 )
                MaxApplicationRate( 4.3 )
                MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 4.9 )
                EmergencyResCapacity( 4.15 )
                EmergencyResChargingRate( 5.7 )
                EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.47 )
                BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 70 )
                BrakeDistributorFullServicePressure( 78 )
                BrakeDistributorEmergencyApplicationPressure( 93 )
                BrakeDistributorMaxAuxilaryResPressure( 110 )
                BrakeDistributorEmergencyResPressure( 110 )
                BrakeDistributorReleaseRate( 4.42 )
                BrakeDistributorApplicationRate( 4.56 )
                BrakeDistributorTrainPipeControlRatio( 2.5 )
                BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure( 110 )


                AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating( 3.1 )
                AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure( 14.7 )
                AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure( 140 )
                AirBrakesMainResVolume( 10.2 )
                AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage( 12.6kw )
                AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 134 )
                AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure( 1.44 )
                AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical( 0 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
                EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake( 1 )
                EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 0.45 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 7 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 3 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 10 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 2.5 )
                EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 8 )
                TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 7 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 15 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 15 )
                EngineBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 90 )
                TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 90 )
                EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
                TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
                EngineBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )
                TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )
                BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
                BrakesTrainBrakeType( "Air_twin_pipe" )
                BrakesEngineControllers( "Independent, Train, Dynamic" )
                EngineBrakesControllerDirectControlExponent( 1 )
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