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  • flarrfan2
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 380

    #1

    OR Issues

    I have been playing around with OR for a couple of weeks on my Vista laptop with integrated graphics. See specs below. I wonder how those specs impact these issues:

    I have only marginal improvement in frame rates over MSTS. Goes from 18-20 in some heavily scenicked areas to 23-24.
    I have a very annoying stutter on every route I've tried. The sim comes to a momentary (one or two-tenths of a second) stop every two to three seconds, then skips ahead to where it would have been without the stutter. The fps counter shows no change in frame rates when the stutter occurs.

    On several self-created routes, I have numerous items of vegetation that have their default MSTS .s and .ace file names but have been altered for more realism. I started this years ago when I got some better looking vegetation and proceeded to replace the default trees in existing self-created routes, and I then just imported the revised vegetation with the default names to newer routes. OR gives me the default shapes and aces, such that it is far from the intended appearance.

    I had an issue with an activity on the 3DTS Cajon pass with a standoff at a siding. I wondered if OR would handle it better. Nope...I got no approach signal and barreled into a siding at 60+ and then out the other end on green. A few minutes later I had a head-on with a AI train. This particular meet worked fine in MSTS.

    Now a favorable issue...the last route I built was a 170-mile extension of my Tallahassee Sub all the way across the Florida panhandle to Pensacola. It was by far the best of my four completed self-created routes. I built it on an XP computer (which is currently inoperable, likely power supply issue). I thought it was done and ready for upload, but when I sent it out last year for testing, everyone with Vista or Win 7 reported freeze crashes at tile boundaries within a few minutes of starting, no matter where on the route. I reproduced the effect on my Vista laptop and spent several weeks working with files, removing interactives and sound sources, and exploring all possibilities I could think of. When I couldn't find the problem or a solution, I pretty much gave up on the route and MSTS in general for quite a while. But the same route does NOT freeze or crash in OR...it appears that the entire route can be run in OR, though with the stutter and vegetation issues, it's not really tolerable. So does this tell any OR or computer vets anything about what the original freeze/crash problem might have been?

    And can anyone shed light on the stutter/vegetation/activity issues mentioned? I'm suspecting integrated graphics are the problem. If the laptop doesn't do Run8 well, I will likely be upgrading. And I will continue checking on OR development and wish the team all the best.


    Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.4 GHz
    4 gig RAM
    Vista Home Premium

    Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by ATI
    Graphics Chipset ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650

    Graphics Bus Capability PCI Express 2.0
    Maximum Bus Setting PCI Express 2.0 x16

    Memory Size 2287 MB
    Memory Type HyperMemory

    Core Clock in MHz 450 MHz
    Memory Clock in MHz 600 MHz
    Last edited by flarrfan2; 08-13-2012, 17:14.
  • derekmorton
    5500 Post Veteran



    • Nov 1999
    • 5699
    • Eltham, Victoria, Australia.
    • ORTS

    #2
    Hi Kent,

    Your machine is on the low end by OR standards.
    Open Rails is still in preview, so some things don't work.

    They are currently working on signalling, so that would explain they problem you are having.
    OR has a forum over at Elvas Tower if you want to know what they are up to.
    There is a release pending some bug fixes at the moment.

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    • eolesen
      9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



      • Dec 2002
      • 9583
      • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
      • English, SQL
      • General

      #3
      Originally posted by flarrfan2
      On several self-created routes, I have numerous items of vegetation that have their default MSTS .s and .ace file names but have been altered for more realism. I started this years ago when I got some better looking vegetation and proceeded to replace the default trees in existing self-created routes, and I then just imported the revised vegetation with the default names to newer routes. OR gives me the default shapes and aces, such that it is far from the intended appearance.
      That doesn't make sense... I've also never run into what you're describing, but maybe someone else can confirm this?
      If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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      • seagoon
        5000 Post Veteran

        • Jun 2001
        • 5161
        • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

        #4
        I run MSTS and OR on a bog-standard Toshiba laptop - with integrated Nvidia graphics chipset and running W7 32-bit - and even when the most detailed area of any route gives me very low double-figure frame-rates (I'm talking 10, 11, 12 fps) under MSTS, the same area of the same route in the same Activity in OR gives me high double figures, and I mean 70s to 80s.

        No stuttering, no pauses, just smooth refresh.

        BK
        IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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        • Paul pal
          New Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 10
          • .

          #5
          BK, (seagoon):
          I have a very seldom stuttering, that it seems the team already is looking to it.
          So, in my case, almost no stuttering, no pauses and quite smooth refresh !
          And the computer specs are: amd 1100T; nVidia 570gtx etc...

          But let's leave the team fixing current noticed problems(by them in the soon-to-be-released updated version).
          Thanks !

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          • seagoon
            5000 Post Veteran

            • Jun 2001
            • 5161
            • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

            #6
            Originally posted by Paul pal
            BK, (seagoon):
            I have a very seldom stuttering, .....
            No worries....I was merely indicating that the problems experienced by the gentleman may not be due to the integrated graphics.
            There could easily be other reasons (or reason) for it.

            My suggestion would be to do a new, second, install of MSTS, carry out all the recommended "improvements" (including BIN) and run that under OR and see if this situation occurs.

            BK
            IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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            • Paul pal
              New Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 10
              • .

              #7
              Dear BK,
              Thank you for your attention. I noticed that on a very detailed route: SOB (SüdOstbahn) and this happens only after some time (this road has too many drawcalls?) anyway, it's a minor issue. Other issues with a "higher" priority, I believe !

              PA

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              • twpol
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 434
                • United Kingdom

                #8
                There are certainly issues with the current release (0.7.0) when running for a long time, especially on high-detailed routes; this is an area we've improved upon in the development versions.
                James Ross
                Open Rails Management Team
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