Calling all route builders as well as MSTS and OR users

[OTTODAD]

Since you like to post pictures look at this one.

After 30 years of supporting computer and software using customers and 10 years helping train simulator users in forums find that illustrating instructions helps less informed users to understand better and I too find it useful when reading the advice from others, like Jim Ward, I have learned a lot from !

As it happens I did a similar test to see what ORTS reads in the MSTS folders and below shows what is involved without using Mickey Mouse graphics AERO !

How much of that needs do be replaced with files the ORTS code and graphics can make better use only the ORTS knows.

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[crstagg]

Below is my screen. The F5 display is looks sharper than yours may be screen resolution or you resized the JPG.. I do not have the 1 inch high clock display that you have. probably something in the CVF file that ORTS has yet to implement.

[longiron]

Please stay on topic, this area is something we are planning to incorporate into our web site going forward. If you want to compare cabviews, another thread would be appreciated.

[OTTODAD]

Please stay on topic.

Which is that the ORTS team is having problems making all that works in MSTS work in ORTS the same way, using the MSTS files and are looking for an alternative.

If ORTS is supposed to be backward compatible with MSTS routes and rolling stock then it must be able to use it's files or create new ones.

As for the ORTS F5-HUD, I am looking forward to hacking the ORTS code to make it display what I want to see, like I have done with the MSTS F5-HUD !

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[longiron]

Which is that the ORTS team is having problems making all that works in MSTS work in ORTS the same way, using the MSTS files and are looking for an alternative. If ORTS is supposed to be backward compatible with MSTS routes and rolling stock then it must be able to use it's files or create new ones.

As for the ORTS F5-HUD, I am looking forward to hacking the ORTS code to make it display what I want to see, like I have done with the MSTS F5-HUD !

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Otto,
Just to be 100% clear, the OpenRails objective is NOT to make everything in MSTS work in ORTS the same way or even support 100% of the features. So MSTS camera hacks, configuration hacks and similar strategies will NOT work in OR like they do in MSTS because the core 3D display code is entirely different. If you would like to have a legitimate discussion on making the various Function HUDs more configurable, please start another thread.

[OTTODAD]

Hi Chris !

Below is a my DB-TRACKS Gold-Spike-X route ORTS Train Simulator, that however still has to use many MSTS Default files which have to be replaced with non-MSTS ones ?

I wonder whether M$ would care if you distribute some of theirs, like Shape files and the ACE files used by them and others, ORTS not Selling them ?

Contact them like some of us did when we tried to get the MSTS source code for MSTSBin George !

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[Train-a-Mania]

Even on routes where the tracks have been replaced, roads are still an issue. On the recent LS&I upgrade, the MS track has been replaced with DB Track, but the roads are still MS.

The BNSF Scenic Sub V2 by Streamlines would work if the MS track and road shapes were replaced.

[GoGoran]

This discussion is largely academic. Microsoft will absolutely positively not sue any route builder who's using default files on his freeware route. If they did, it would already have happened during the past eleven years. Think about all the routes on trainsim.com and countless other sites. Ain't gonna happen. So it's a waste of time to even think about it.

If you want to replace default files because you want to create something BETTER than the default ones, then that's another story.

[eric]

Even on routes where the tracks have been replaced, roads are still an issue. On the recent LS&I upgrade, the MS track has been replaced with DB Track, but the roads are still MS.

The BNSF Scenic Sub V2 by Streamlines would work if the MS track and road shapes were replaced.

So use ScaleRoads....


It's certainly possible that MSFT has better things to do than chase down people using ten year old textures and shapes. I just don't feel like being the first one they smack down.