Request

[OTTODAD]

Can we please have something positive for a change.

Like when can we expect the next release of a Beta ?

O t t o

[longiron]

The next beta will be released when it's baked. We are marching ahead with our development program. With a volunteer development organization it is difficult to project when things will come to fruition.

[GoGoran]

The next beta will be released when it's baked. We are marching ahead with our development program. With a volunteer development organization it is difficult to project when things will come to fruition.

Take all the time you want and need, I am patient.

I only want to use this opportunity to make a request of my own:

1. Please keep the two switchable physics models - the OR one and the simpler one which tries to mimick MSTS behavior

2. Please work on this MSTS physics model to make it even more MSTS-like

3. Please implement a line in the F5 HUD which indicates clearly which physics model is currently active, e.g. reading "Physics model: MSTS" or "Physics model: OR", according to which has been selected by the user

[csantucci]

I'm sure next release will be a milestone...

[Paul pal]

Take all the time you want and need, I am patient.

I only want to use this opportunity to make a request of my own:

1. Please keep the two switchable physics models - the OR one and the simpler one which tries to mimick MSTS behavior

2. Please work on this MSTS physics model to make it even more MSTS-like

3. Please implement a line in the F5 HUD which indicates clearly which physics model is currently active, e.g. reading "Physics model: MSTS" or "Physics model: OR", according to which has been selected by the user

Excellent idea and suggestion for the dev. team, Gogoran.
Thanks!

[mikephfl]

Where is the option to switch between physics mode? I looked in the options and didn't see anything.

[Tailwheel]

Where is the option to switch between physics mode? I looked in the options and didn't see anything.

Mike,
taint there yet, the above is only a "request" that the option be included!

[GoGoran]

Mike,
taint there yet, the above is only a "request" that the option be included!

No, no, it IS there, you can switch the physics models in OR 0.7 with a key combination, I guess it was Strg/Ctrl + Alt + X, but I don't remember exactly. Maybe one of the OR developpers could chime in and remind us ? And also explain why this feature is not documented yet.

[longiron]

At the present time there is only ONE physics model. It uses the MSTS ENG/WAG paramaters. What you may be remembering is the ability to "turn off" the advanced adheasion model using "CTRL + X" and stop run away slipping due to lower frame rates.

Now to the basic question raised, how to differentiate between MSTS and OR advanced physics. The path the team is heading down is as follows:

1. OR advanced physics will require a separate ENG/WAG file .... it will have a new, appropriate file extension.

2. The new OR ENG/WAG file should have the exact same name as the MSTS version.

3. If an OR ENG/WAG file is present, the software will use that for physics calculations. If only the MSTS file is present, it will use those parameters. So the models can run side by side during the game.

Why new OR ENG/WAG file? There are lots of new parameters required for advanced OR physics model and we didn't want to potentially screw up users MSTS installation by adding stuff to perfectly working MSTS ENG/WAG files. This strategy allows MSTS to ignore the new files while providing a new foundation to build on. Once this is completed, we plan to provide a tool for the community to enter the prototype data and export the new OR file with proper formatting. As always, users can edit via Notepad if they wish.

[crstagg]

1. OR advanced physics will require a separate ENG/WAG file .... it will have a new, appropriate file extension.

If creating new ENG/WAG files how about adding new paramaters for sorting and filtering of rolling stock? For example: ERA with values such as NG=Narrow Gauge, ES=Early Steam, ST=Steam, SD=Steam Diesel, 1D= First Generation Diesel, RW=with Roof Walk, WR=without Roof Walk, MD=Modern. This and changes to programs like Train Store, ConBuilder and Route Riter would enhance selection of rolling stock for more realistic operation.

[longiron]

If creating new ENG/WAG files how about adding new paramaters for sorting and filtering of rolling stock? For example: ERA with values such as NG=Narrow Gauge, ES=Early Steam, ST=Steam, SD=Steam Diesel, 1D= First Generation Diesel, RW=with Roof Walk, WR=without Roof Walk, MD=Modern. This and changes to programs like Train Store, ConBuilder and Route Riter would enhance selection of rolling stock for more realistic operation.

Good idea and certainly easy to do at this point. What about including AAR car definitions, like this: http://www.opsig.org/pdf/AARFreightCarCodes.pdf along with a time period designation?

[crstagg]

Good idea and certainly easy to do at this point. What about including AAR car definitions, like this: http://www.opsig.org/pdf/AARFreightCarCodes.pdf along with a time period designation?

Nice detail to know/display, but way too much detail (too many variables) to sort/filter on. And which year set would be used? As for ConBuilder display that info would provide more usable info than the Wagon Type (Freight, Carriage, Tender) in listing WAGs.

[longiron]

I could see something like this:

ERA ( ES SG )

ES = Early Steam (1830-1900), ST = Steam (1901-1940), LS = Late Steam (1940-present) , ED = 1st Generation Diesel (1900-1950), 2D = 2nd Generation Diesel (1951-1980), MD = Modern Diesel (1981-Present), EE = Early Electric (1900-1950), 2E = 2nd Generation (1951-1980), ME = Modern Electric (1981-Present)

SG = Standard Gauge, NG = Narrow Gauge, WG = Wide Gauge

[crstagg]

I could see something like this:

ERA ( ES SG )

ES = Early Steam (1830-1900), ST = Steam (1901-1940), LS = Late Steam (1940-present) , ED = 1st Generation Diesel (1900-1950), 2D = 2nd Generation Diesel (1951-1980), MD = Modern Diesel (1981-Present), EE = Early Electric (1900-1950), 2E = 2nd Generation (1951-1980), ME = Modern Electric (1981-Present)

SG = Standard Gauge, NG = Narrow Gauge, WG = Wide Gauge

Good Idea: But how would they apply for WAGs? Maybe need an ENG-ERA and a similar WAG-ERA field.

[mikephfl]

I'd like to see parameters for car type, but also road and reporting marks, car number, empty vs loaded. That way if I'm looking for empty tank cars, con builder could easily sort those out. Right now I'm doing this with names, but having different parameters would make this even easier.