OpenRails ver 0.6.1.677

[ChrisS68]

Thank you

Awesome stuff Open Rails team! Seeing the progress you guys are making is quite exciting! My clunky old computer can barely run it, but that's my deal. Nice work on the quick update too. The LSR&C now loads. I did get a memory error on one activity, but again, I think that's due to the limitations of my system. One route that still won't load for me is the Clinton Sub. From earlier posts it might be due to a 3-way switch? Just kind of curious how one tracks down what the culprit may be.

Here is the error message and I've attached the log file just FYI.
Thanks again!

runactivity.exe : Error : 0 : System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
at ORTS.Interlocking.InterlockingSwitch.ComputeGeomet ry()
at ORTS.Interlocking.InterlockingSwitch..ctor(Simulat or simulator, TrJunctionNode switchObject, Int32 trJunctionNodeIndex)
at ORTS.Interlocking.InterlockingSystem.CreateSwitche s()
at ORTS.Interlocking.InterlockingSystem..ctor(Simulat or simulator)
at ORTS.Simulator.Start()
at ORTS.Program.<>c__DisplayClass8.<Start>b__7()
at ORTS.Program.Start(IEnumerable`1 options, String[] args)

[Redcoat_1812]

Is there a known problem with european signals and or level crossings.

On the Hungarion - Alfold v5.4 route. All signals before level crossings are set at danger ( red aspect ).

There after i lose the signal aspect indication in the track monitor and all other signals are either yellow or show no aspect at all.

[twpol]

Is there a known problem with european signals and or level crossings.

On the Hungarion - Alfold v5.4 route. All signals before level crossings are set at danger ( red aspect ).

There after i lose the signal aspect indication in the track monitor and all other signals are either yellow or show no aspect at all.

There certainly have been other reports where routes have placed signals at level crossings and they've shown red consistently (I don't know why they place signals there, though). If you lose the signals in Track Monitor, press <tab> and it should 'fix'. I expect the two are related, as in, the level crossing signals are not being fully connected to the dispatcher for some reason, but we've got lots of signal work coming.

[Redcoat_1812]

There certainly have been other reports where routes have placed signals at level crossings and they've shown red consistently (I don't know why they place signals there, though). If you lose the signals in Track Monitor, press <tab> and it should 'fix'. I expect the two are related, as in, the level crossing signals are not being fully connected to the dispatcher for some reason, but we've got lots of signal work coming.

Thanks very much for the reply, in the UK and in Europe signals can be placed to protect level crossings.

I will try using "TAB" to fix the track monitor.

Keep up the excellent work, it is much appreciated.

Mike.

[Redcoat_1812]

I experienced another weird effect on the same route.

If you run through a crossing protected by a red signal.

It looks like ( from cabview & camera 2 ) and feels like, the trains has hit a gigantic mound of thick syrup.

The train slows from 60mph ( as an example ) in an instant to say 5mph.

But not in a sudden movement, it is like slow motion ( and no i hadn't been drinking ).

Then on the other side of the level crossing it picks up speed again.

Freaky.................

Mike.

[twpol]

If you run through a crossing protected by a red signal.

If you run a red signal, OR puts on the emergency brakes but leaves the brake lever released; this means the train will stop quickly but even if you don't do anything the brakes release and it'll continue (assuming you don't get wheelslip).

[kox]

There certainly have been other reports where routes have placed signals at level crossings and they've shown red consistently (I don't know why they place signals there, though).

No, there are no signals there! Just in openrails(i've showed a screenshot about this a month ago). There are no signals there in MSTS.
Same crossing in Openrails:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5862163/redsignalcrossing.png

and in MSTS:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5862163/mstscrossing.png

If you run a red signal, OR puts on the emergency brakes but leaves the brake lever released; this means the train will stop quickly but even if you don't do anything the brakes release and it'll continue (assuming you don't get wheelslip).

but AI trains freeze there, and never move further.

[Redcoat_1812]

If you run a red signal, OR puts on the emergency brakes but leaves the brake lever released; this means the train will stop quickly but even if you don't do anything the brakes release and it'll continue (assuming you don't get wheelslip).

That is some crazy effect, when it does it.

Thank you for the explanation, thought i was having flashbacks to the 1960`s.

Mike.

[twpol]

No, there are no signals there!

Please stop spreading misinformation. There are signal objects placed at the level crossings, it is just that OR is not handling them the same as MSTS. In fact, they're being used as the level crossing lights for the road, it appears; their type is "INFO", which OR doesn't know how to handle yet.

[Redcoat_1812]

James, last question on signals please. As you have already said a lot of working is in progress.

Any idea why the F4 HUD shows 3 different signal states, for 3 different aspects.

This is on another Hungarian route, which i must say is very well crafted.







Mike.

[kox]

The signal with yellow, and white plate is a distant or pre signal, the red white is main signal.
The hungarian signals are a bit complex, they can show many things, more than the UK ones, (i don't know about us signals) but 95% same as the german HL signals (i think just the shape or the signal head is the difference).

http://www.carreweb.fr/european-railway-signalling-server/sthu/slhu_en.html

Since openrails signaling is not complete and these signals are complex, this can lead to weird situation like this

[Redcoat_1812]

The signal with yellow, and white plate is a distant or pre signal, the red white is main signal.
The hungarian signals are a bit complex, they can show many things, more than the UK ones, (i don't know about us signals) but 95% same as the german HL signals (i think just the shape or the signal head is the difference).

http://www.carreweb.fr/european-railway-signalling-server/sthu/slhu_en.html

Since openrails signaling is not complete and these signals are complex, this can lead to weird situation like this

kox,

thanks very much for the info.

Mike.

[GoGoran]

Consists not recognized by OR

I recently get a strange error with one of my MSTS installations/routes, namely the Wallachia route from www.blackrail.ro (Freeware, you can download it there).

On startup, OR does not recognize any consists, no matter whether MSTS-original consists like the Dash 9 or route-specific third party consists. When I chose the route in the menu and click on explore, I can select allt he details, but no consists are shown !

I restarted OR several times, and sometimes consists were shown in the menu, but then, after clicking on Start, the menu popped up again with no consists showing. I clicked on Start again, anyway, and the sim aborted after a few seconds with an error message.

I kept on trying, and finally succeeded to load the route, without having made any changes to the route, rolling stock or consists. I instantly pressed F2 to save the game.

Now I restarted the game, and the same error persists ! Consists don't show up, and I need like 30 tries to get them to show up and run the route with one of them successfully. BUT I can always click on RESUME and the route will load instantly and without any errors, always ! Even when NO consists are displayed in the OR menu !

[twpol]

On startup, OR does not recognize any consists, no matter whether MSTS-original consists like the Dash 9 or route-specific third party consists. When I chose the route in the menu and click on explore, I can select allt he details, but no consists are shown !

First of all, which menu are you using? I'd guess it is the "old" menu with normal Windows-style buttons and lists, rather than the fancier, more colourful "new" menu.

How long have you waited when the consist list shows up empty? It may not be obvious, but the lists load in the background and only appear when complete (I didn't have time to add a loading indicator unfortunately). I've seen this occasionally take a long time, quite a number of seconds, though it is usually pretty fast.

[emma]

Source file _STF.cs missing

Have downloaded the sourcecode as openrails-sc.zip,
it looks like the file MSTS\_STF.cs is missing, so project does not compile.

emma