Hump yard operation

[OTTODAD]

Including the ability to actively modify the braking of a loose consist.

Shift-' clicking on a rolling wagon or consist perhaps applying bursts of braking ?

Shift-; releasing them.

Will also try to uncouple wagons on the hump downslope with U-mouse click instead of using the F9 panel, more like what a guy would do, I don't know what you call in the US.

This | key for dumping the air is this the one over the Back-slash ?

O t t o

[longiron]

This | key for dumping the air is this the one over the Back-slash ?

O t t o

Yes, on US keyboard.

[csantucci]

Hi Chris,
thank you for your clarification, I will check what happens by using the | key, after having found how it is translated in my Italian keyboard.
I would also let you know that if you couple to a loose consist, you don't get braking parameters with the F5 display for the coupled wagons. In fact the brake lines for such wagons remain empty, and if you exit such display and enter it again you get on every line a list of strange numbers terminated with a FALSE string. Furthermore in my tests I believe to have noticed that if the brakes of same wagons were coupled to the engine after the start of the activity, they behaved differently from the case they were connected to the engine already at the start of the activity.

Carlo

[longiron]

Hi Chris,
thank you for your clarification, I will check what happens by using the | key, after having found how it is translated in my Italian keyboard.I would also let you know that if you couple to a loose consist, you don't get braking parameters with the F5 display for the coupled wagons. In fact the brake lines for such wagons remain empty

Unlike MSTS, Open Rails does not automatically connect train lines when coupling to loose consists. Use the | key to connect the train line and the coupled wagons will appear with their braking paramaters and begin charging. In addition, all Retainers are set at 100% when coupling to loose consists, so you must use the colon key : (on US keyboards) to release the retainers. The question mark (?) key will immediately charge all brakes.

if you exit such display and enter it again you get on every line a list of strange numbers terminated with a FALSE string.
Carlo

This appears to be a bug, we'll look into it
chrisvw

[csantucci]

Hi Chris, I fear I have confused the BRAKE INFORMATION display with the FORCE INFORMATION display; pls. don't consider my above statement about the FALSE string as being related to the BRAKE INFORMATION display. Sorry for the confusion.

Carlo

[csantucci]

Big news After Chris' explanations about how ORTS braking commands work, I tried to run my hump yard activity with wagons with standard brake parameters, using the ORTS command "disconnect brake hoses and dump air" before uncoupling wagons. Well, the wagons roll down! So that function is what in this topic was called "bleed off cars". To try it reverting to wagons with standard brake parameters, simply go in the consists folder of my activity, open file V100_Ablauf1 and delete the suffix "_LB" to all the wagon names. That's great, thank you Chris and you other ORTS developers!

Carlo

[conrail1]

In addition, all Retainers are set at 100% when coupling to loose consists, so you must use the colon key : (on US keyboards) to release the retainers.

Is this just a bug that will be fixed in the future?

using the ORTS command "disconnect brake hoses and dump air" before uncoupling wagons. Well, the wagons roll down! So that function is what in this topic was called "bleed off cars".

Which sounds a little confusing since in the real world allowing the hoses to break apart and the air to “dump” will set the brakes up in emergency not bleed them off.


One other thing I noticed is that it doesn't matter whether the cars are stretched or bunched, they can be uncoupled no matter what state they are in. On US equipment anyway the slack has to be in to get the pin to uncouple the cars. Using Carlo's activity as an example the cars would still have to be ascending the hump (slack in) for the uncoupling key to work.

[csantucci]

If you dump the air, | on my keyboard, before uncoupling, the loose consist will have no brakes.
chrisvw

In fact OR behaves so.

...using the ORTS command "disconnect brake hoses and dump air" before uncoupling wagons. ... So that function is what in this topic was called "bleed off cars". o

Which sounds a little confusing since in the real world allowing the hoses to break apart and the air to “dump” will set the brakes up in emergency not bleed them off.

Maybe the command name is incorrect, as this command does just the contrary of dumping.

Use the | key to connect the train line and the coupled wagons will appear with their braking paramaters

I assume you meant the \ key.

Carlo

[OTTODAD]

I assume you meant the \ (backslash) key.

The | I get with Shift of the \ key on my 15 years old US Ortec programmable Keyboard.

Looks clean after having been used daily all this time !

Try Alt+1+2+4 = |

O t t o

[longiron]

Otto,
to clear up some confustion that I've inadvertantly created. The command names relevant here are "Control Brake Hose Connect" and "Control Brake Hose Disconnect", which are bound to \ and Shift+\. The latter command is not bound to | (pipe), that's just what it happens to be on US/UK layouts.

[sniper297]

Okay, after further investigation, what I'm getting is it's "iffy" - sometimes works, sometimes don't. Following tests use the same activity, exiting ORTS 360 completely and restarting each time.

All five cars are the same, no modified physics involved. Apparently we got one of them unholy intermittent glitches here.

[csantucci]

One difference between your tests and my activity, where I always have the same positive result, is that you start from 0 speed, while I always uncouple cars when they move (even at low speed).

Carlo