Forests

[muskokaandtahoe]

Otto, please read more carefully. Both Chris and I have written in this thread that this problem has nothing to do w/ IrrKlang. When you see IrrKlang in that DOS window it is telling you it has loaded successfully. The failure you observe is happened quite a ways further down the chain of commands.

We're pretty sure we have a fix for this.

[OTTODAD]

Otto, please read more carefully. Both Chris and I have written in this thread that this problem has nothing to do w/ IrrKlang. When you see IrrKlang in that DOS window it is telling you it has loaded successfully. The failure you observe is happened quite a ways further down the chain of commands.

Then why did Chris ask me to do this test ?

ORTS stops loading when it encounters irrKlang and does not load the DirectSound8 driver and there is no visible execution of further command down the line.

irrKlang's own Hello World sound demo does the same.

O t t o

[longiron]

Then why did Chris ask me to do this test ?

To make double sure the problem on your personal system was the same as we've seen. It's the first time the OR team has encountered the error with ATI video card. This test confirms the problem is when the graphics code initializes. It is verified by the error message OR provides regarding the ENV file. irrKlang and the sound driver successfully loaded earlier in the code in order to get to the ENV files.

ORTS stops loading when it encounters irrKlang and does not load the DirectSound8 driver and there is no visible execution of further command down the line.

At this time, OR doesn't have an error message to indicate the failure is during the graphics loading.

Thanks for running various tests to help the OR test diagnose the problem.

[sniper297]

If I'm understanding this correctly, the route (which route? or all of them?) loads okay the first time, but fails with that error message if you try to run it again without exiting and reloading ORTS? If that's the case, then to test it you would need to load the route, exit the route, ALT TAB out (you running windowed or fullscreen, and what resolution?) and THEN go into explorer and rename the Envfiles folder. Now it's set up to duplicate the gripe, ALT TAB back to ORTS and see what happens the second time you load the route.

[OTTODAD]

If I'm understanding this correctly, the route (which route? or all of them?) loads okay the first time, but fails with that error message if you try to run it again without exiting and reloading ORTS? If that's the case, then to test it you would need to load the route, exit the route, ALT TAB out (you running windowed or fullscreen, and what resolution?) and THEN go into explorer and rename the Envfiles folder. Now it's set up to duplicate the gripe, ALT TAB back to ORTS and see what happens the second time you load the route.

What leads to irrKlang stopping loading is not consistent. Sometimes I can load the same route and activity repeatedly and have no problems and at other times, after having done something else, it happens again.

Re-booting the WIN-32 SP3 computer clears the problem to happen again later.

This time I have used my one-tile forest test route, basic default REF file and had the Route Riter compact it. Having just started the computer for the first time it loaded O.K. and did so re-loading this route's activity repeatedly while still in ORTS and again after exiting ORTS and having another go.

Then I started to download one of 2 MSTS routes a member would like me to help with merging and irrKlang again stopped loading this route's activity.

I can also happen when my computer is not connected to the Internet.

Below are my ATI Catalyst settings, which are working fine with all my programs displaying graphics.

Reducing the ORTS Sound Detail Level did not help either, neither did reducing AA and AF to 4X, turning off the Open GL Tripple Buffering and changing all Quality settings to Performance.

Hope that this helps the team to get to the bottom of this.

B.t.w., which WIN O/S is on the computers the team are using to code and test ORTS and what is the DirectSound8 Driver which does not load when irrKlang hangs up ORTS ?

O t t o

[sniper297]

Well, intermittent gripes are always a beast, only thing you can do is try to find something that IS consistent. Can you confirm that all the routes this is happening on load the FIRST time, the glitch happens /sometimes/usually ONLY the second time you attempt to run the route and NEVER the first time? Does it happen with default rolling stock on default routes at all, or only addons?



That's what I get, from your screen it appears that it's loading the irrKlang thingamy and choking on the DirectSound8 driver for some reason. I'm still half asleep here, but another idea - are you sure it's actually freezing and not just slow loading? Have you tried waiting five minutes or so to see what it does?

[longiron]

What leads to irrKlang stopping loading is not consistent. Sometimes I can load the same route and activity repeatedly and have no problems and at other times, after having done something else, it happens again.

Otto,
That's why it is NOT a irrKlang sound problem - you proved it with your test of renaming the ENV folder. We know its some advanced shader code that the video card stumbles on. We are testing a fix that resolves the issue. We'll be announcing something official in the near future.

B.t.w., which WIN O/S is on the computers the team are using to code and test ORTS and what is the DirectSound8 Driver which does not load when irrKlang hangs up ORTS ?

O t t o

The team has systems across XP SP2, SP3, Vista, and Windows7, with hardware ranging from laptops to mid range desktops to hi end 4 core systems.
chrisvw

[OTTODAD]

We know its some advanced shader code that the video card stumbles on. We are testing a fix that resolves the issue. We'll be announcing something official in the near future.

Thanks, Chris !

Looking forward to the next beta and if I find something else in the meantime will post a report.

O t t o

[OTTODAD]

That's what I get, from your screen it appears that it's loading the irrKlang thingamy and choking on the DirectSound8 driver for some reason. I'm still half asleep here, but another idea - are you sure it's actually freezing and not just slow loading? Have you tried waiting five minutes or so to see what it does?

Yes, I tried that and let it stew for half an hour while I was doing something else.

No joy !

O t t o