Forests

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Otto, take a closer look at the forests from overhead, the standard individual trees are that same 8 sided shape but the new forest region is the flat type that rotates to face the view instead of the old four sided shape from MSTS.

Yes, Sir !

RW has such 2D stand-alone flat trees which always face the viewer, not sure about the forests which can not align their trees to uneven terrain.

So I did a test in a single tile MSTS route and below are the results.

The single tree forest having been moved has been taken care of as well as their flying, it has been said ?

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[muskokaandtahoe]

Otto,the billboarded forest does rotate. In fact, in your high angle shot it is rotated to face the camera BUT because the vertical axis does not move its not supposed to lie down on the ground to look up at you. Try this: return to the same test you did, same camera position. What happens when you move the camera well over to the left and rotate it 90d clockwise? Does that forest tree rotate to present it's face towards the camera? Pls advise if it does not.

WRT the brakes. I've never had a locomotive / train that did not have brakes. If you believe you have an example we'd like to see the .eng file.

[longiron]

Otto,
The OR team has narrowed down the issue to advanced shader code that may not be compatible with certain models of NVidia cards. Can you please post the make & model of your video card? Thx

The individual forest objects rotate to face the camera FOV, not the train. From where you've taken the screen shot, OR has rotated the image to be at 90 degrees perpendicular to your camera position - or a close as the software can figure it out.

Regarding train brakes, OR only reads the train braking parameters from the ENG file. OR trains have brakes but very basic ones at the present. They won't work the same as MSTS in the future either, but much more like the real world. Some may not like waiting 10 min to pump up the air on a long consist, so we have a shortcut for the impatient.
chrisvw

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O.K. guys, here is what Dave hs asked me to do.

Yes, the flat forest tree is facing whichever camera looks at it. In my example below the #3 one and the tree is looking good !

The loco used is the default DASH-9 from the MSTS CDs and it's *.ENG file is attached zipped. I can release the brakes but not apply them.

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[sniper297]

You forgot the other question, make, model, and driver version for your video card?

As for the default Dash 9 brakes, I'm not getting that - altho holding down the key doesn't do anything, gotta press repeatedly as if the brakes were notched. ; to release, ' to apply, hit the ' key ten times for full brakes.

Read the SoftDocs.pdf for all controls, they got a really cool setup where you hold down the ALT key and a cursor appears, click on the base of any switch to change it, or hold down the U key and click directly on any coupler in the train to uncouple it.

[OTTODAD]

You forgot the other question, make, model, and driver version for your video card?

If you are talking to me then here are my computer's specs:

As for the default Dash 9 brakes, I'm not getting that - altho holding down the key doesn't do anything, gotta press repeatedly as if the brakes were notched. ; to release, ' to apply, hit the ' key ten times for full brakes.

Attached to my previous post is a ZIP of this DASH9.eng file. Try it.

Like I said, I can release the brakes but not apply them.

Had a look at page 23 of the PDF and it mentioning E to apply brakes works but ' does not.

Everytime I am trying to run ORTS a second time and loading this test route irrKlang stops the route being loaded and have to re-start the computer.

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[sniper297]

Yeah, not getting that here. I replaced my default dash9.eng with yours, brakes work fine here. Difference between US and UK keyboards maybe? What exactly happens when you hit the apostrophe key, does the yellow HUD show a brake application and the engine won't stop, or do the numbers in the HUD stay at zero?

[OTTODAD]

Yeah, not getting that here. I replaced my default dash9.eng with yours, brakes work fine here. Difference between US and UK keyboards maybe? What exactly happens when you hit the apostrophe key, does the yellow HUD show a brake application and the engine won't stop, or do the numbers in the HUD stay at zero?

My MSTS keyboard functions have worked since 2001 and are still working in Railworks, having modified it's InputMappers.

Any program source code function reading input from the keyboard will know that when ' is being pressed that this is either Dec 39 or Hex 27.

What is the ORTS keyboard input function, getchar() I presume, looking for ?

Trying to test what you suggest irrKlang again stopped ORTS loading the route and had to re-start the computer.

Below are the results of my test.

Sorry, but I have had enough of this and shall wait until the next beta of ORTS before doing more tests.

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[muskokaandtahoe]

We've determined that what appears to be an IrrKlang error isn't about sound but some code that upsets a few video chipsets. We're testing a solution.

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We've determined that what appears to be an IrrKlang error isn't about sound but some code that upsets a few video chipsets. We're testing a solution.

If it helps then this is my WIN-XP computer's motherboard with an AMD 785G chipset:

http://www.viritech.com/asus-m4a785td-v-evo-motherboards.html

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[OTTODAD]

Tested sound samples of irrKlang, having downloaded it from their web site a while ago and after playing them and then trying again later this "Hello World" sample got stuck exactly like ORTS did trying to load a route's activity.

Re-starting the computer fixed that too.

A clue ?

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[sniper297]

Only thing I can think of is try updating the ATI Catalyst driver, new version came out a few weeks ago.

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Only thing I can think of is try updating the ATI Catalyst driver, new version came out a few weeks ago.

I got my fingers burned doing that before, installing new updates which did more harm than good.

All my programs which use graphics do so to my satisfaction and do not think that graphics have anything to do with this irrKlang problem, which happens only now and then and goes away after re-booting the computer, waiting to happen again.

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[longiron]

All my programs which use graphics do so to my satisfaction and do not think that graphics have anything to do with this irrKlang problem, which happens only now and then and goes away after re-booting the computer, waiting to happen again.

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Otto,
Here's a test to determine if it's really irrKlang or a video card problem. In any route you want to test, rename the ENVFILES folder to anything you want. So, if you temporarily rename the route's ENVFILES folder, you should get an error indicating a missing .env file, if its NOT a sound issue. This should at least prove whether the problem is or is not sound related. At that point, the OR code has finished with sound and is moving on to loading content.

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Here's a test to determine if it's really irrKlang or a video card problem. In any route you want to test, rename the ENVFILES folder to anything you want. So, if you temporarily rename the route's ENVFILES folder, you should get an error indicating a missing .env file, if its NOT a sound issue. This should at least prove whether the problem is or is not sound related. At that point, the OR code has finished with sound and is moving on to loading content.

Did that, Chris and trying to run this activity in my Gold-Spike route got me this and OK took me back to the ORTS selections menu:



Tried again and sure enough got stopped again by irrKlang !



I don't know what improvements irrKlang is supposed to make to the sounds of ORTS, there not being anything wrong with the MSTS sounds produced by my Creative Platinum card.

Having downloaded irrKlang from their web site a while ago, I tested their sound samples EXEs and the same happened when I played their "Hello World" sample a second time after testing all the others.

Could be a case of having to take it out of the ORTS source code ?

I am off to bed now, 3AM UK. Talk to you tomorrow.

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