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  • crstagg
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    • Nov 1999
    • 4885
    • Huntsville, AL
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    #31
    Originally posted by longiron
    Charles,
    Apologize for the email returned as undeliverable - we had the spam filter turned down too tight. The best way to get help on any issue is to post on the forums that have OR specific sites. The team monitors TS, UKTS, and ET forums on a daily basis.

    We are working to identify the root cause of the error.
    I did post on TS https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?t=292944 on 5/31
    But no answer.
    Charles

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    • longiron
      1000 Post Veteran and Moderator

      • Jan 2007
      • 1453
      • Just south of NYC

      #32
      Originally posted by crstagg
      I did post on TS https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?t=292944 on 5/31
      But no answer.
      The OR team is entirely volunteers, not paid developers, so we may not move at the pace you expect or require. This issue has occured in only a small number of about 4,000 downloads in the first weeks. Until very recently we couldn't reproduce the error on anyone's system on the team. Now that we have, we're looking into the issue. Once we have something, we'll post it on the boards.
      Chris
      "True rail fans have two favorite railroads. The B&O and one other."

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      • crstagg
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        #33
        Originally posted by longiron
        The OR team is entirely volunteers, not paid developers, so we may not move at the pace you expect or require. This issue has occured in only a small number of about 4,000 downloads in the first weeks. Until very recently we couldn't reproduce the error on anyone's system on the team. Now that we have, we're looking into the issue. Once we have something, we'll post it on the boards.
        Waiting a week for a reply is not impatient!
        Charles

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        • CrisGer
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 443
          • Colorado and California

          #34
          Open Rails looks very promising..since we lost MSTS 2, this is the most promising rail sim i have seen, since both RS and RW are very complex when it comes to changing or adding anything...and both have become very much payware add on environemtns and I prefer the traddional freeware sharing of long standing traddion re games and sims and add ons from the community. It is so complex to make anything for RW that it is a professionals only world and i would rather support community efforts with the generous and sharing feeling.

          Open Rails has some immediate imrpovements in terms of the visual impact and the development team is working hard to improve many aspects of it, and it will run much more detailed equipment and will have many other benefits from what i see from the posts and notes about it...

          two pics from OR of default or current MSTS routes and equipment to give a feel:

          this is the Default EUROPE2 route run by OR

          and this is the Durango Silverton Add on Route by Charlie:



          Lights and smokea re not enabled yet.

          Charlies i had that error and it turned out to be use of an engine that was not compatible ie one of Capt Bazza's that had a tender that was in the form of a ENG instead of a WAG. Replacing that file with the correct format fixed that error and OR runs very happily now. Check your equipment. OR wont run with ANY such altered format equipment i think, but i am just a tester, not a part of the team. They do the best they can i think re replies on bugs, and as posted, they are all volunteers and doing all they can.
          Last edited by CrisGer; 06-07-2010, 11:51.
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          • crstagg
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            #35
            Originally posted by CrisGer
            Charlies i had that error and it turned out to be use of an engine that was not compatible ie one of Capt Bazza's that had a tender that was in the form of a ENG instead of a WAG. Replacing that file with the correct format fixed that error and OR runs very happily now. Check your equipment. OR wont run with ANY such altered format equipment i think, but i am just a tester, not a part of the team. They do the best they can i think re replies on bugs, and as posted, they are all volunteers and doing all they can.
            Used Train Store to store everything but default Marias Pass and one activity. So just 2 diesel ENGs and a few WAGs are in thee TrainSet. Get same error as before. So my problem has nothing to do with altered ENG files.
            Charles

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            • Vince
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              • Nov 1999
              • 6961
              • Mohave

              #36
              I dont Expect a Response From OR. Why Should You?

              Using the default Marias Pass with default equipment is the way to go for proper testing as long as the Marias Pass Route has it's misplaced sound sources fixed. There are a bunch and really, how could you ever tell that the presence of these errors could affect the OR Sim? All activity and route files must be tested by a full error free run of all Route_Riter AND TSUtils test routines.
              It would also be a good idea to get a complete run of all ConBuilder tests. I'm using an old version 2.4.5 but newer versions are probably much better at finding errors on a users system.
              This will ensure a solid platform for testing.
              I mean if all test components are not known' to be error free how can there be a valid test.

              On the subject of these 'complaints' about a 'response';
              I have absolutly no expectations of a response from OR if I post a comment or a 'Bug Report'.
              I do not expect either "a response" or in fact, any acknowledgment of any kind!

              It's quite enough for me, thank you, knowing that members of the OR team DO peruse these fora.

              I would like to see Nels archive the old! MSTS-X forum (down at the bottom of the MSTS section) and substitute "The OR Forum" .
              (psst, Nels, ask the team what they would like for a forum name)

              This would make life easier for the OR team, one place to look for bug reports and please, no need for the team to respond to individules.
              This is preliminay alpha development stage for goodness sake! If a team member had a question about a certain 'bug report' this would be the place to do it but please, no individule hand holding. At this stage of development I expect bug and will accuratly report them with all relevant system information so to aid the team. No Reply Necessary.
              ............Vince ..............
              ...... Author NECv4 .......
              .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
              ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

              On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
              "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
              the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
              I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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              • crstagg
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                #37
                Comment:
                How does one know that the responder to a bug report is "Joe Spring Butt" who has to post a reply to every message he reads or a member of the OR team? Recommend that the OR Team put somthing in their forum signature to indicate who they are.
                Charles

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                • kraus
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                  • Jan 2001
                  • 1086
                  • Madison, Wisconsin
                  • General

                  #38
                  The members of the OR team are listed on the web page http://www.openrails.org/Credits.html

                  It may help if members of the team added their name to their forum signature. In fact, it would help if all members added their name since user names often are not related to their proper name.
                  Last edited by kraus; 06-07-2010, 14:27.

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                  • Vince
                    6500 Post Veteran

                    • Nov 1999
                    • 6961
                    • Mohave

                    #39
                    Got a Bug? Thank you for the report. Bye!

                    Originally posted by crstagg
                    Comment:
                    How does one know that the responder to a bug report is "Joe Spring Butt" who has to post a reply to every message he reads or a member of the OR team? Recommend that the OR Team put somthing in their forum signature to indicate who they are.
                    If one does not expect a response then why would one care?
                    Just posting the bug report is enough.

                    I would recommend the team just acknowledge and mayby a 'thanks' but help?
                    I don't think they, the OR team should bother at this stage of development.

                    I'm fine with just posting a report knowing that they read it and hopefully it helps them. But to expect individule help? No.
                    ............Vince ..............
                    ...... Author NECv4 .......
                    .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                    ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                    • longiron
                      1000 Post Veteran and Moderator

                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1453
                      • Just south of NYC

                      #40
                      Originally posted by crstagg
                      I did post on TS https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?t=292944 on 5/31
                      But no answer.
                      charles,
                      A user fixed his problem with the following http://www.elvastower.com/forums/ind..._0&#entry49105

                      Another user fixed the same problem with a reinstall of OR.

                      However, in our testing neither is guaranteed to fix the problem.
                      Chris
                      "True rail fans have two favorite railroads. The B&O and one other."

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                      • crstagg
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                        • Nov 1999
                        • 4885
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                        • Texan
                        • MSOR

                        #41
                        Originally posted by longiron
                        charles,
                        A user fixed his problem with the following http://www.elvastower.com/forums/ind..._0&#entry49105

                        Another user fixed the same problem with a reinstall of OR.

                        However, in our testing neither is guaranteed to fix the problem.
                        Tried the suggestion of reverting to nVedia default settings. Did not fix it. Got same error.

                        Have tried reinstalling OR. First I installed to same Folder as previous ver. When I got the problem I installed to a new folder.
                        Charles

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                        • sniper297
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                          • Nov 1999
                          • 9545
                          • Union Grove, Wisconsin, USA.
                          • General

                          #42
                          I would like to see Nels archive the old! MSTS-X forum (down at the bottom of the MSTS section) and substitute "The OR Forum"

                          Vince, have you looked at the bottom of the forum listings?

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                          • sniper297
                            9500 Post Veteran
                            • Nov 1999
                            • 9545
                            • Union Grove, Wisconsin, USA.
                            • General

                            #43
                            Moving day!

                            On further review, moving this thread down to the Open Rails Discussion forum since that's what it's really about. You guys looking for customer service keep in mind there ain't any, if this was a commercial project you wouldn't even know it exists yet in the current stage of development.
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                            • Vince
                              6500 Post Veteran

                              • Nov 1999
                              • 6961
                              • Mohave

                              #44
                              Originally posted by sniper297
                              I would like to see Nels archive the old! MSTS-X forum (down at the bottom of the MSTS section) and substitute "The OR Forum"
                              Vince, have you looked at the bottom of the forum listings?
                              https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/forumdisplay.php?f=102
                              [Hides in extreme embarrasment!]

                              Oh my, no Jim I did not. ouy!
                              ............Vince ..............
                              ...... Author NECv4 .......
                              .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                              ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                              On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                              "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                              the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                              I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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