BVE: 66 & Track

[AngliaTrains]

Hi Guys,

What do you think? Both 66 and Track

[mfonda]

RE: 66 & Track

Very nice work, Zane. Show us some more soon.

[big jon bon]

RE: 66 & Track

Very nice indeed . I like the 66 livery it is rather cool looking and the track is good detail as well m8
keep up the good work.I have been onto your website and it said you were making a class 360 and 317. i jst wondreded is that for bve 2 or bve 4.2??




jonathan_1990@hotmail.co.uk

[AngliaTrains]

RE: 66 & Track

What's BVE2? :P

I'm going to hopefully get some better textures for that 66 before I release it, they was all I had at the time.

[Coxster]

RE: 66 & Track

Looks good. You'd be surprised at just how many people can't get BVE4 working and only use BVE2.

[RichardBrown]

RE: 66 & Track

I couldn't run BVE 4.2 with acceptable framerates before i purchased a graphics card as i had intel integrated graphics. I would highly recommend the following card from http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...subcat_uid=710 as it has really improved my frame rates (can even get around 12 fps in the entrance to BNS in the superb B'ham X City and up to 44 fps in this and other BVE 4.2 routes.

For £40.99 plus delivery this is an excellent 'budget' card.

By the way, I just have a standard Dell Desktop 2.8GHZ P4, 512 RAM.

Hope this helps some people who are having problems with bve 4.2

[Coxster]

RE: 66 & Track

Simular to Richard Brown, I get good framerates. I am using a simular spec and an NVidia 5700LE. I got my graphics card for about £60.

3.0Ghz, Intel Pentium 4 Processor,
512MB RAM,
128MB NVidia 5700LE Graphics Card,

[big jon bon]

RE: 66 & Track

would u reccomend the 256Mb ATI Radeon X550HM Graphics. because i am getting my own computer for xmas which will be suitable for future bve4 routes e.g. Watford Junction - Rugby By Anthony Bowden. Does anyone recmmend this graphics card or think it will be good enough.

[VICTOR]

RE: 66 & Track

If there was no BVE2 BVE4 wouldn't be possible. I dislike those who think that BVE4 is perfect and it's only useful BVE version. If I can remember, BVE 4 is still in testing mode.

About scshot, it is very nice and I hope that project will be done for BOTH versions! Making only BVE4 version is meanless. Besides, take a look new Japanees routes - nearly 70% are BVE2 routes. I think that there is a reason!!!

[Boxcars]

RE: 66 & Track

>If there was no BVE2 BVE4 wouldn't be possible. I dislike
>those who think that BVE4 is perfect and it's only useful BVE
>version. If I can remember, BVE 4 is still in testing mode.
>
>About scshot, it is very nice and I hope that project will be
>done for BOTH versions! Making only BVE4 version is meanless.
>Besides, take a look new Japanees routes - nearly 70% are BVE2
>routes. I think that there is a reason!!!

I agree with you Victor. I too love BVE version 2 and use and enjoy it all the time. I must admit though that I'm warming to BVE4. I've still got my fingers crossed that Anthony's new routes will be, as suggested on his website, compatible with both versions. Have you tried the Clarendon route, the new 66 and 37 in version 4 (to name just a few)? They're absolutely great. Anyway, to get back to why I'm posting here . . .

What's been said about graphics cards is really interesting and it’s what I was trying to discover in my topic of October 2nd entitled 'BVE 4 versus BVE 2 (performance issues again)'

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In post number #38 of that topic hongjian says this . . .

"The CPU plays a important part to BVE performance too! I was aware from reading the posts that users with Celeron CPUs were the most affected when running BVE.

Using Intel Celeron CPU, no matter what speed it is operating on, do not improve BVE 4 performance even it is installed with 1GHz RAM and a top of the range AGP 8x video card with 256Mb of video RAM.

Hence for stable performance for BVE 4, I recommend using Pentium 4 for desktops or Pentium 4/Centrino for Laptops with stand-alone, not integrated, video RAM of about 128Mb.

Celeron CPUs do have its limitations due to its cache memory and instruction set, if I remember correctly,from the days when I was a Computer Engineer. Hence Celeron is not recommended for high graphics intensity software.

To prove, I have tried installing BVE 4 onto my mate's PC with Celeron CPU and the difference immediately shows.
Then leezer3 (Chris, BVE Cornwall) talks about faster AGP ports in, I think, post #45."

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Can this topic be kept going for a while please?

Is Richard Brown’s processor a Pentium 4? Is it worth me buying a new graphics card to improve performance in BVE4 bearing in mind that I’ve got a Celeron?

Finally, apologies to Zane (AngliaTrains) who began this topic. A few of us have taken it off track. Perhaps someone could start any replies to graphics cards, AGP slots, Pentium vs Celeron etc. in a new topic.

Cheers,

Neil



;-)

[RichardBrown]

RE: 66 & Track

HI Neil, yes my processor is a Pentium 4. I'm not an expert on this but i would think that any graphics card would be be an improvement on integrated graphics. My framerates have generally trebled with the card i mentioned: before if i ran a route such as B'ham x city, it would constantly stutter, therefore i gave up trying but now i can run any route really smoothly (particularly enjoying Edinburgh- Aberdeen at the mo!)

Cheers Richard

[leezer3]

RE: 66 & Track

The celeron bit of it really doesn't matter
Perhaps we need a little bit of a definition of what does what here:
1. Integrated GFX- These rely on the main system processor to do the work, and have far less features that even the cheapest of dedicated GFX cards.
2. Dedicated GFX- These have in effect a second CPU which does all the GFX work, as well as thier own RAM. This means that all they need is a little info from the main system, as opposed to having the processor do all the work.
3. CPU- This does all the number crunching that makes the PC go Installing a faster one will make things go a little better, but it is the same sort of difference between two cars- One may go a little faster than the other, but in real terms there is very little difference.
3. RAM- This is where the PC stores all of the data that is in use. When the PC runs out of RAM, it moves onto virtual memory, storing the excess on the much slower HDD. More RAM is always better, as the PC can store more of its stuff in the faster area.
3. Different AGP speeds- Its a little bit like having a gap of only certain size which data must be passed through; With a slower version less data can be passed through at once, and therefore adding a GFX card which exceeds this maximum amount of data will have very little benifit over one that doesn't.

Neil, what you want is a new cheap GFX card & another 512mb of RAM. I would expend a total of around £60 or so to install a Radeon 9200SE (£25-30) & and 512mb of extra RAM, again around £25-30. Any more than this and you will be running up against the limitations of your motherboard, and you would be better advised to start again, re-using the CPU, drives & RAM.

Cheers

Chris Lees

[Rohan]

RE: 66 & Track

I also don't believe that Celeron CPUs cause a significant performance decrease. However, as far as I know, the area they do lack in is 3D performance, so when forced to do a lot of extra graphics work by an integrated graphics chip, they will perform badly and slow down under the extra load of doing both graphics and "normal" jobs.

And even if I'm wrong there, it would be a good idea to get a seperate graphics card anyway, just to take some of the load off the "slow" Celeron, and benefit from the dedicated performance of a seperate card. CPUs and Integrated cards are not designed for 3D work, so that's why it really is necessary to get a seperate card if you want to get good framerates. And as an extra bonus, you should get some of your RAM back (integrated cards take 64mb of your main RAM normally).

If you have the choice of graphics card or RAM, I would get the card first. I play BVE4 on a laptop with only 256mb of RAM and still get fairly decent framerates (around 30-50 FPS), which I would expect is thanks to the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 it has.

[Boxcars]

RE: 66 & Track

Thanks very much for your detailed replies. After Christmas I'll try and do an upgrade (if I can find a friend to put the new parts in for me!). I know that if I as much as take the computer's casing off it'll never work again!!! Thanks again.

Neil