BVE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

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  • Technical Numpty
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2003
    • 194
    • Essex, UK.

    #1

    BVE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

    Hi Gang!!

    Just to bring you up to date on what's been occurring with this project. It seems like it's been dragging on for such a long time, with some good reason.

    I had a little trundle down to Southend today on the trail of that elusive cab shot that I still need. I had written to the curator of the pier museum way back in February and phoned to see how things were going during May. As I'd still not heard anything, I thought I should go down to the museum to shake things up.

    Unfortunately, the curator was not there in person but the lady in charge called her up so that I could speak to her. I must have spent a good ten minutes going all around the houses trying to explain again what I was doing, what I needed and why but I'm getting the distinct impression that she won't help me no matter what.

    Her main arguments appeared to be:

    [ul][li]She can't believe that I'm not doing this for commercial gain. She seems to think that there is a great deal of "commercial value" in what I'm producing and that by "making it available as a freebie" I will be "taken advantage of". No amount of explaining the freeware ethos behind BVE and that it is a hobby that people engage in purely for their own enjoyment seemed to make any difference.

    [li]What I am doing is perceived to be a threat to the work of the museum. It is not for me or anyone else to educate the world at large about the history of the pier and it's railway, as that is the work of the museum. Therefore, she see's no reason why she should assist me.

    [li]There would seem to be nothing in it for them. In spite of the fact that when (if) the project is completed they could download everything they need for it themselves if they were sufficiently interested, they fail to see that it benefits them simply by bringing the pier and it's railway to a new audience.[/ul]

    Essentially, the curator has refused to provide me with what I need unless I agree to provide them with a video of the simulated run that they can create an exhibit around, which I find unacceptable.

    At the risk of committing libel, I have never come across such a rude, obstructive, small-minded, greedy and parochial attitude in any organisation when approached for help. I'm in half a mind to write back to her and her committee and tell them where to shove it. She's been avoiding me for the last seven months and has given a negative impression right from the start. She was apparently going to write a reply "today or tomorrow" (ha ha). To top it off, she called the lady in charge straight back to give her some instruction or other (if I'm understanding half a conversation correctly). Whatever these instructions were, the response from the lady in charge was "I'll make sure he doesn't".

    I'm just hoping that the owners of the two other extant motor cars I am on the trail of agree to assist me so that I don't have to prostitute my work to the pier museum.

    *Sigh*

    On a more positive note, progress on constructing the return leg is progressing well.

    Technical Numpty
  • SachaD
    Member
    • Apr 2003
    • 78
    • .

    #2
    RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

    Andy,

    It was probably because you interupted her doing her knitting infront of neighbours, the annoying single minded cow.

    Fingers crossed on the other 2 contacts mate.

    Sacha

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    • smace
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2003
      • 481
      • .

      #3
      RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

      On No, you SHOULD produce the video, BUT remind her that since BVE is shareware and is only for personal use and can not be used for comercial purposes, she would need to get a auth. from MacKoy AND any one whos objects you have used. Even the opensource objects are not for commercial use and if they charge an admission to the mesueme.... well that would seem to be commercial. OH Yes, produce the video, you can after all as a hobbiest for your own enjoyment ( I think ) But when you give it to her make sure you tell her about all the restircions. Only way to play this game is to be better at it. If yo would like to use one of my objects, I will have a lawyer friend of mine draw up a permission and roryalty agreement for you to present for that one object and if each object has such an agreement ..... of course if she allowed the picture with no restrictions, I would be happy to wave. BTW when I did the Irish monorail, I asked for permission to use their photos, and they granted it with no quesitons or resctions. For their kindness I mad sure thier site was in the credits. I hope it got them a couple of dollars or pounda in donations

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      • abarten
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2002
        • 120
        • Massachusetts, US.

        #4
        RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

        Often people in such positions move on to bigger and better things. It may take a few years, but let's hope she finds better employment elsewhere and someone reasonable takes her place.
        -- Al
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        Virtual Railroader
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        • Technical Numpty
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2003
          • 194
          • Essex, UK.

          #5
          RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

          >Often people in such positions move on to bigger and better
          >things.

          Ah yes. The principle that dead wood floats applies as well in the UK as in the rest of the world. Sadly, she's been there since the museum's inception (sometime around the Norman Conquest) and doesn't appear to be about to float off anywhere.

          TBH, I really can't be bothered trying to reason with the woman. She's made it clear that she perceives my work to be a threat to the work of the museum and that she'll be damned before she assists me in undermining the museum's position. She really couldn't have got the situation more wrong if she'd tried. Thankfully, this kind of person is rare.

          My new course of action is to pursue the two surviving motor cars that are not part of the museum's collection. Once I've secured permission from one or other of these parties to photograph the driver's desk, I can go ahead and complete the project. The museum and it's curator can then take a running jump, as I will not be making any of the offers that I might have made in relation to my work.

          TN

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          • Technical Numpty
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2003
            • 194
            • Essex, UK.

            #6
            RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

            Hi smace!!

            I guessed that that would be MacKoy's likely position, which is why I haven't even bothered to ask him. In fact, I'm holding off from doing so unless I absolutely have no other options left open to me.

            If only they could have been more reasonable. Still, for their shortsightedness, all mentions of the museum will now be removed from my work.

            TN

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            • TomBeevers2000
              Senior Member
              • Nov 1999
              • 475
              • Doncaster, I apologise that we, United Kingdom.

              #7
              RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

              As has been recomended on the 'other' forum a polite letter to
              the Chief Exec(of the local Council) or Mayor concerning your
              project is recomended.


              Hope your councillars are better than ours, who promptly consign any input from the rate-payers to the dustbin.

              --
              Tom Beevers

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              • Paul Jobber
                Member
                • Oct 2003
                • 79
                • .

                #8
                RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

                Hi

                You may have seen on the news that the pier end station on Southend pier was destroyed by a major fire last night, along with a number of other buildings.

                Paul

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                • eezypeazy
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 108
                  • Prudhoe, Northumberland, UK.

                  #9
                  RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

                  Does this mean that the only way to enjoy this railway now would be through a, er,.... BVE simulation? Did Technical Numpty ever complete his project?

                  eezypeazy

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                  • Simon_G
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 203
                    • .

                    #10
                    RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

                    Sadly no - all his (superb) work was lost in a disk crash He's now busy driving trains for One and doesn't have time for BVE.

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                    • hongjian
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 293
                      • York, N.Yorkshire, UK.

                      #11
                      RE: Southend Pier Railway (Update)

                      This is a sad case of a Jobsworth or anti-rail fan person managing a railway related museum, just like those who at all costs prevent people from taking photographs at railway stations. This is the first time I had ever heard that a curator of a rail related museum bing aggresive towards a rail fan.

                      Unfortunately, I believed she should be sacked and replaced by someone who is interested in trams or is enthuastic in promoting the tramway to the public. A curator of a tram museum should in fact share the passion of a rail fan if not more!

                      In my opinion, these people could only be pleased or convinced with either money (purchasing of copyright) or intervention from a higher authority (for example: English Heritage) A sad future for the railways.

                      The fire at the Southend Pier a few days ago made this BVE project the more important as its realism would in fact assist those who would like to rebuilt the pier with no additional cost I must admit. The selfishness of the curator put an end to this.

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